Originally posted by Astner
What the **** are you talking about? Teachers are allowed to grab and restrict the children."A parent is not allowed to hit/smack/slap someone else’s child. A teacher is not allowed to hit/smack/slap a student. An uncle or aunt cannot hit/smack/slap their niece or nephew – at least not without the consent of the child’s parents." - Source
Originally posted by NemeBro
Please.I'd have just kidnapped the student a few months later and eaten him alive, to get rid of evidence.
See, that's better. That's more like real Nemebro. I actually feel relieved after reading that...like taking a shit after holding a big one for a couple of hours.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Those who suffer consequences for their horrible actions are either fools or cowards, probably both.
Those who know the negative consequences of their morally positive actions and take action anyway are both heroes and role-models.
Something else to chew on: a few years ago, teachers told me how they were having great success getting unruly students to behave by calling their parents during class and having the parent speak to/discipline their child during class (ie, over the teacher's cell phone).
About a year later, teachers had been told not do do this because it "embarrassed" the student, and "we" didn't want to harm their "self-esteem" (the importance of "self-esteem," btw, being the biggest crock of pop psych in the last 30 years).
More recently, I heard on the news this morning that Delaware has made spanking your child illegal. Granted, some parents do take spanking too far, but as one emailer to the program put it (and I paraphrase): seems like the more parents are told how to raise their children and what they can't do, the worse kids have become.
In the school system, where teachers are systematically having their balls removed, this certainly seems to be the case.
Originally posted by Mindship
seems like the more parents are told how to raise their children and what they can't do, the worse kids have become.
People have been saying that the next generation of kids will be evil/stupid/corrupt for thousands of years. So far the success rate is 0%. Also parents raise children in a variety of ways, banning one method has no effect on "children" as a group.
Originally posted by MindshipMore recently, I heard on the news this morning that Delaware has made spanking your child illegal. Granted, some parents do take spanking too far, but as one emailer to the program put it (and I paraphrase): seems like the more parents are told how to raise their children and what they can't do, the worse kids have become.
Liberalism.
Spanking is not child abuse. If spanking goes over into the realm of beating, that's child abuse.
I myself do not partake of it, but I'd not tell another parent not to.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosTo some extent this is true. But I think, starting in the post-WWII boom, when youth became "happening," ("teenager," the term, was born) and a sense of entitlement for the next generation became the norm, there has been a change. Certainly in my lifetime it's noticeable. When I was a kid, you didn't dare sass back to a teacher. If you did, woe to you when you got home. Parents were almost always on the teacher's side. Nowadays that's not the case, and the kids take advantage, just like they take advantage when they're able to play one parent against another. Given a generation weened more than ever on immediate gratification, and the notion that "everyone can be a star": this is a recipe for young, inflated, unruly egos.
People have been saying that the next generation of kids will be evil/stupid/corrupt for thousands of years. So far the success rate is 0%. Also parents raise children in a variety of ways, banning one method has no effect on "children" as a group.
To be sure, most students are more/less fine. But overall there is, imo, a profound difference in respect for authority between now and, say, 50 years ago.
Originally posted by RobtardWhen my daughter was young, an occasional, single "potch" on her lil' butt (through diapers/pants), when all else failed, worked wonders for the next few months. Generally I used time-out, which to this day still amazes me how well that worked. But not always.
I myself do not partake of it, but I'd not tell another parent not to.
Originally posted by Mindship
To some extent this is true. But I think, starting in the post-WWII boom, when youth became "happening," ("teenager," the term, was born) and a sense of entitlement for the next generation became the norm, there has been a change.
No, the "sense of entitlement" started when we stopped leaving sickly children to die.
Originally posted by Mindship
Certainly in my lifetime it's noticeable.
It's noticeable in every generation. EVERY generation. There has never been a point in human history where most people said "yeah, kids seem to be doing good and parenting is being done correctly." Given how few civilizations have collapsed under the weight of millions of failed childhoods I think precedent is in my favor.
Originally posted by Mindship
But overall there is, imo, a profound difference in respect for authority between now and, say, 50 years ago.
If that were localized to children you might have a point.
Originally posted by Mindship
The world needs more fear. It's the only thing which will prevent this...
Don't get me wrong, I've seen kids act like complete mother****ers and their parents are utterly incapable of reeling them in with words and it's not always the parent's fault cos they lack conviction. Some kids are simply just rotten*. Why I don't look down on parents who spank, sometimes it's probably the best course of action.
In my personal experiences though, when a kid is an *******, it's usually cos the parents are assholes.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, the "sense of entitlement" started when we stopped leaving sickly children to die.It's noticeable in every generation. EVERY generation. There has never been a point in human history where most people said "yeah, kids seem to be doing good and parenting is being done correctly." Given how few civilizations have collapsed under the weight of millions of failed childhoods I think precedent is in my favor.
If that were localized to children you might have a point.
I love that quote, so I don't entirely disagree with you. But that doesn't mean that every generation has been isomorphic. The baby boomers are notorious for growing up with a sense of entitlement their parents and grandparents did not know (and it's been passed on since, better than ever, thank you American Idol, et al). Yeah, I'm sure kids have been bratty throughout history. But at least for the last hundred years or so, there have been several events (eg, Great Depression) where one could not take the simplest things for granted.
I think what is generally missed when people malign the children of the next generation is:
a) people focus on the extreme cases, forgetting that the vast majority of youth don't, for instance, try out for American Idol (re: most youth aren't these entitled individuals).
b) how much more complex and potentially dangerous the social order youth today navigate is, making some challenges to authority and generational differences not only genuine and understandable, but preferable.
I'd also point out that, if you spank your child, you are doing it for your own benefit, not the kids. You might not be doing identifiable harm to the child (though this is debatable), but you are certainly doing no good, and in terms of learning and behavioural manipulation, punishment of that nature are among the least effective ways to motivate any type of organism to do what you want them to.
Originally posted by Oliver NorthWas I maligning? My bad if I gave that impression. Lord knows I find the phrase, "Greatest Generation," offensive.
I think what is generally missed when people malign the children of the next generation is:a) people focus on the extreme cases, forgetting that the vast majority of youth don't, for instance, try out for American Idol (re: most youth aren't these entitled individuals).
b) how much more complex and potentially dangerous the social order youth today navigate is, making some challenges to authority and generational differences not only genuine and understandable, but preferable.
Human nature has basically been consistent for the last few thousand years at least. But what has changed is our ability to affect ourselves and each other. I have no doubt that generations following mine, and yours, will do great things. But there's a lot being taken for granted, more than ever over the last few generations. You'd be surprised when I've asked students what their career plans are, how often I hear singer / actor / pro athlete. I knew maybe a handful of kids who thought like this when I was in high school. Or ask college professors how many freshman expect to get A's simply for showing up. Just as every generation has done and will do good, so are there that generation's flaws.
I just wonder how much longer our increasingly powerful technology will allow us to self-indulge. It's comical, sure, but I didn't post that scene from Wall-E for nothing.
I would say kids were far more entitled back in the day then they are now. In the 80's and 90's you could get a decent job without going to college or even graduating from High School. You could basically do whatever you wanted. Look at the job market for young people who don't have college degrees now. Hell, look at the job market for young people who do have college degrees. It's bleak as hell out there. The number of kids with college degrees, even degrees in practical fields, and yet can't find a job, is higher than ever. The cost for college is higher than ever. The difficulty of getting into a college even if you can afford it, is higher than ever. I've read statistics that state that the amount of work the average high school student is expected to do in an average course is higher now than it was before. There's more homework. Everything is more expensive than ever before, schools have less money than ever before, etc.
I don't really see how anyone can make the argument that the kids of this generation have to work less to achieve whatever it is they want. I'd say it's the opposite. It totally sucks to be a kid right now. Thanks a lot, baby boomers.