Originally posted by Golgo13
Wasn't the GEB the void before the Presence even existed? Kind of similar to Chaos King, right?
Originally posted by zopzopthat happened in a very old comic, I doubt current writers view power levels the same way
If that's all he was, then this is merely a stalemate. Keep in mind CK is nothing more than an aspect of Oblivion (who is only 1/4 of the cosmic compass with the others being Death, Eternity, and Infinity). Hell, Oblivion IN HIS REALM could only stalemate Infinity. They were fighting through Avatars. So it was Infinity with her Avatar Quasar who had Cosmic Awareness vs Oblivion + Anomaly + Maelstrom + Quantum Bands + Cosmic Awareness and they fought to a standstill! In the end, Maelstrom lost concentration and the Quantum Bands destroyed him, with Oblivion being powerless to stop it.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
that happened in a very old comic, I doubt current writers view power levels the same way
Remember that Grandmaster, when he usurped Death's power, created 5 Null Life bombs that were each capable of destroying 1/5 of the universe and recreating a new Big Bang with him as the Author. Or Death annihilating the entire Cancerverse and all it's inhabitants (even the ones that spilled over into 616 reality).
Originally posted by zopzop
What has Oblivion done on panel recently that makes you think this has changed? Keep in mind in this year's Thor Annual, Oblivion was relying on Scrier and the Other (and then later Galactus) to wreck the universe. If he's so great why doesn't he do it under his own power?Remember that Grandmaster, when he usurped Death's power, created 5 Null Life bombs that were each capable of destroying 1/5 of the universe and recreating a new Big Bang with him as the Author. Or Death annihilating the entire Cancerverse and all it's inhabitants (even the ones that spilled over into 616 reality).
Cosmic balance and agreements made between the abstracts like during Cosmos in Collision? Pacts between Oblivion/Infnity/Death/Eternity.
Originally posted by zopzop
If he's so great why doesn't he do it under his own power?
High-end Abstract beings seem to prefer using lesser creatures as lackeys to do their dirty work for them , it seems .
Originally posted by pym-ftw
^because the LT would shit stomp him if he messes with the balanceSame reason a lot of the abstracts seem weak
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
For the same reason Death herself doesn't wipe out all life in the universe(and rather relies on indirect means such as using an obsessed stalker like Thanos) . It would upset the natural balance of which these Abstract entities themselves are part of .High-end Abstract beings seem to prefer using lesser creatures as lackeys to do their dirty work for them , it seems .
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Cosmic balance and agreements made between the abstracts like during Cosmos in Collision? Pacts between Oblivion/Infnity/Death/Eternity.
So if Oblivion is so much more powerful than Death or Eternity that even a mere aspect of him can cause Death to flee and be considered Eternity's opposite, then why does he need to honor any pact (like the one made during Cosmos In Collision)? He's either their (Death, Eternity, Infinity) peer (according to Cosmos in Collision) or their absolute superior (according to Chaos War and the Thor Annual). Which is it?
If he's their superior why did he need Scrier/Other/Galactus to do something his aspect (CK) couldn't.
Originally posted by zopzop
Then why did he stand back and let Scrier/Other/Galactus almost destroy the universe in their scuffle?That would only make sense if they were more or less equal in power. Notice during Chaos War that a mere aspect of Oblivion, caused Death, the actual abstract that's supposedly a peer to CK's master, to flee. It was also stated that CK was Eternity's opposite. Yet how could that be? CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion.
So if Oblivion is so much more powerful than Death or Eternity that even a mere aspect of him can cause Death to flee and be considered Eternity's opposite, then why does he need to honor any pact (like the one made during Cosmos In Collision)? He's either their (Death, Eternity, Infinity) peer (according to Cosmos in Collision) or their absolute superior (according to Chaos War and the Thor Annual). Which is it?
If he's their superior why did he need Scrier/Other/Galactus to do something his aspect (CK) couldn't.
Chaos King Surpassed Oblivions Normal power level, The more of the universe he consumed the more powerful he became, same with the countless numbers of beings he absorbed.
By the time he consumed 98% of the multiverse he far surpassed Eternity/Death/Infinity in power, Death fled in fear of being consumed.
Chaos King @ His Peak was>>>>Oblivion
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Chaos King Surpassed Oblivions Normal power level, The more of the universe he consumed the more powerful he became, same with the countless numbers of beings he absorbed.By the time he consumed 98% of the multiverse he far surpassed Eternity/Death/Infinity in power, Death fled in fear of being consumed.
Chaos King @ His Peak was>>>>Oblivion
Would that be enough to defeat GEB?
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Chaos King Surpassed Oblivions Normal power level, The more of the universe he consumed the more powerful he became, same with the countless numbers of beings he absorbed.By the time he consumed 98% of the multiverse he far surpassed Eternity/Death/Infinity in power, Death fled in fear of being consumed.
Chaos King @ His Peak was>>>>Oblivion
Originally posted by zopzopBecause Living Tribunal would smack Oblivion straight in the penis.
Then why did he stand back and let Scrier/Other/Galactus almost destroy the universe in their scuffle?That would only make sense if they were more or less equal in power. Notice during Chaos War that a mere aspect of Oblivion, caused Death, the actual abstract that's supposedly a peer to CK's master, to flee. It was also stated that CK was Eternity's opposite. Yet how could that be? CK was merely an aspect of Oblivion.
So if Oblivion is so much more powerful than Death or Eternity that even a mere aspect of him can cause Death to flee and be considered Eternity's opposite, then why does he need to honor any pact (like the one made during Cosmos In Collision)? He's either their (Death, Eternity, Infinity) peer (according to Cosmos in Collision) or their absolute superior (according to Chaos War and the Thor Annual). Which is it?
If he's their superior why did he need Scrier/Other/Galactus to do something his aspect (CK) couldn't.
Death isn't a fighter, nor does she let people come to her to attack her. Eternity could have just been talking about CK's role.