Re: Who can beat amped Superman?
Originally posted by carver9
Trans tier or below...no manipulating his durability.The amp is, Superman skin has been transmuted to the same stuff Cap shield is made out of... Vibranium and Adamantium. Again, no manipulating or bfring...straight up fight. Superman moves around like normal.
Aquarian.
KMC Flash, who steals all of his speed and turns him into a pretty statue.
Metallo would WTFpwn him. How, do you say? Well, with a skin made up of Vibranium and Adamantium, I'm gonna say that he cannot absorb sunlight. Constant exposure to K-nite, no sun...yeah, he's going down.
I'll keep thiinking of more.
Edit: pym already mentioned Creel. I'll add Amazo to that as well.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I think he's recuperating from the Majestic vs Surfer thread atm.
Originally posted by Digi
Also, Majestic w/Creation Blades.313
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's persuader's axe and later in the same comic cut open a rift in time and space.
Unless creation blades have better feats than the Atomic axe and we're not dismissing feats on common sense, majestic with creation blades would get beaten by normal superman.😖hifty:
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Does this extra epidermal layer of vibranium/adamantium have(in addition to its own monumental durability) any of the traditional attributes of kryptonian biology ?
It's an addition to Superman own durability.
At ABHI...persuader didn't hit Superman with the cutting part of the axe, he used it as a blunt weapon.
Originally posted by carver9
It's debatable if the creation blade could cut Cap shield.
Disagree.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Below Skyfather? No one.
See my list on page one. Maybe you don't agree with all of them, but there's at least one in that list who would do it, and probably many others.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Unless creation blades have better feats than the Atomic axe and we're not dismissing feats on common sense, majestic with creation blades would get beaten by normal superman.😖hifty:
k.
You should stay away from Supes for a while. You're threatening to marginalize your own effectiveness on the forums, and I know you have debating skill.
Originally posted by Digi
Classic Strange, the Doctor, Onimar Synn, classic Validus, probably the Destroyer armor. And scattered others with the right power set (metal manipulation and/or matter transmutation). Harder skin really isn't relevant with some Trans. characters who can do things like stop Superman in time with merely a thought, or who have absolute control over the four basic forces of the universe. Sh*t like that goes far beyond just punching stuff.
Strange. Superman should be to fast.
The Doctor, I wasn't much into Wildstorm but I though with his reality manipulation he is a Skyfather. Still with Supermans speed he could take him to the sun, for an amp that wouldn't end the way it did with Apollo.
Classic Validius = PC Validius is a Skyfather-level threat imho.
Depends on the person in the Destroyer.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Strange. Superman should be to fast.
The Doctor, I wasn't much into Wildstorm but I though with his reality manipulation he is a Skyfather. Still with Supermans speed he could take him to the sun, for an amp that wouldn't end the way it did with Apollo.
Classic Validius = PC Validius is a Skyfather-level threat imho.
Depends on the person in the Destroyer.
Strange has auto-shields and enhanced reflexes. Base human with spells he is not. He'd crush nine ways from Sunday.
The Doctor isn't a reality manipulator. Matter manip., time manip., planetary or higher-level telekinetic and telepath, etc. He pushes the Skyfather line, but no more so than classic Strange. He also has numerous options for defeating bricks, among them simply freezing Superman in place (which either Dr. could do) while removing his soul or phasing a sun-busting blast into his brain. Sans CIS, it's really not a contest. For example, the Doctor literally froze Majestic in place while drinking a soda and chatting with Hawksmoor. He just has to think it.
The Doctor also got taken into the sun, had his face punched to oblivion, and laughed it off. No flying brick, regardless of durability upgrade, is in his league. Speedblitz is technically possible, but unlikely.
PC Validus....maybe Skyfather. It's close. Still, very few people are comfortable with the "up to" part of "up to Skyfather." It's a wide range of power.
Destroyer - agreed. But possible.
Originally posted by Digi
Strange has auto-shields and enhanced reflexes. Base human with spells he is not. He'd crush nine ways from Sunday.The Doctor isn't a reality manipulator. Matter manip., time manip., planetary or higher-level telekinetic and telepath, etc. He pushes the Skyfather line, but no more so than classic Strange. He also has numerous options for defeating bricks, among them simply freezing Superman in place (which either Dr. could do) while removing his soul or phasing a sun-busting blast into his brain. Sans CIS, it's really not a contest. For example, the Doctor literally froze Majestic in place while drinking a soda and chatting with Hawksmoor. He just has to think it.
The Doctor also got taken into the sun, had his face punched to oblivion, and laughed it off. No flying brick, regardless of durability upgrade, is in his league. Speedblitz is technically possible, but unlikely.
PC Validus....maybe Skyfather. It's close. Still, very few people are comfortable with the "up to" part of "up to Skyfather." It's a wide range of power.
Destroyer - agreed. But possible.
The way you described the Doctor then he definitely is a skyfather level being, no question. Classic Strange at times even operated ABOVE skyfather level (close to abstract level)
So IMO Strange and Doctor shouldn't be on the list
IMO, a skyfather level being is one who can beat all herald level beings in one on one and most (if not all) herald level beings without much difficultly (almost effortlessly). A trans being is one who can beat all herald level beings and most (if not all) herald level beings with at most moderate difficultly.
