The Three Questions

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So you're saying that since a juvenile rape victim is likely to commit suicide, that it merits less attention than murder from a moral point of view?🤨

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That has to be among the most asinine things I have read on this site.

Originally posted by Astner
No. What I'm saying is that because a rape victim can commit suicide at any point—i.e. if she values death more than her life as a rape victim—she has that choice. Thus, it's more morally ambiguous than murder.

Originally posted by Astner

That's because you didn't grasp what I wrote.

Originally posted by Astner
No. What I'm saying is that because a rape victim can commit suicide at any point—i.e. if she values death more than her life as a rape victim—she has that choice. Thus, it's more morally ambiguous than murder.

Originally posted by Astner
No, it would be wrong to do so. At least from my philosophical standpoint, a standpoint which I'm sure you and the other critics in this thread share.

Though I do find it odd why the marriage with a nine year-old strikes you as such a vile act. Especially since this was well over a thousand years ago when it was common all over the world, and in this case to the benefit of the child as well as her entire family.

I'd be more concerned with the wars Muhammad fought, because murder is less ambiguous on the moral compass than to have sex with a child, or to even rape a child. Because a rape victim can at any time take her own life.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
😐

It really shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. Death is final, rape isn't. That said, I don't promote rape. It's still a horrible crime.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I did grasp it and found it to be similar to the sh1t which Brucie spouts on the Off-topic thread of the Comicbook VS forum.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
How does that make it morally ambiguous?

Originally posted by Astner
(Sigh.) Another media drone?

It really shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. Death is final, rape isn't. That said, I don't promote rape. It's still a horrible crime.

No you didn't grasp it because you misrepresented it.

Originally posted by Astner
(Sigh.) Another media drone?

It really shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. Death is final, rape isn't. That said, I don't promote rape. It's still a horrible crime.

No you didn't grasp it because you misrepresented it.

It doesn't. Note the use of the term "more" denoting relativism.

Since you love maffs I'll put it this way: negative one is greater than negative two, but wouldn't it be a mistake to say that negative one is "positive", even in comparison to negative two?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Saying that murder is worse than rape is different from saying that rape is morally ambiguous.

Originally posted by Astner
(Sigh.) Another media drone?

Originally posted by Astner
It really shouldn't be that difficult to grasp. Death is final, rape isn't. That said, I don't promote rape. It's still a horrible crime.

Originally posted by Astner
No you didn't grasp it because you misrepresented it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Poor attempt at an insult.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
How does the finality of it(I disagree with that as well but w/e)

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
make it less morally ambiguous than rape? Or morally ambiguous at all?

It's like saying that an accelerated proton in the large hadron collider is slower than the speed of light in vacuum. But that doesn't necessarily mean that said proton is slow by any conventional standard.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You're wrong in this assumption.

Originally posted by Astner
It wasn't meant as an insult, but rather to point out that you've given in to the glorification of death in media.

Originally posted by Astner

You disagree with that death is final?

Originally posted by Astner

It doesn't make it ambiguous, simply less ambiguous.

Originally posted by Astner
It's like saying that an accelerated proton in the large hadron collider is slower than the speed of light in vacuum. But that doesn't necessarily mean that said proton is slow by any conventional standard.

Originally posted by Astner

No I'm not, you misrepresented my position proving that you did in fact not understand it. It's not a topic open to debate. Swallow your pride and move on.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Don't insult your own intelligence by passing it off as something that its not.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I disagree that the finality of death somehow makes it ambiguous on the moral compass(more or less or at all) as you explicitly stated on the previous page.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
How is it morally ambiguous to begin with ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Your retarded analogy actually tells us that just because it is less morally ambiguous(heaven knows where you even got the premise behind such a strange notion) doesn't mean that it isn't morally ambiguous by any conventional standards.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Plus, you're still wrong in this assumption of yours.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So you're saying that since a juvenile rape victim is likely to commit suicide, that it merits less attention than murder from a moral point of view?🤨

This is what I actually meant:

Originally posted by Astner
What I'm saying is that because a rape victim can commit suicide at any point—i.e. if she values death more than her life as a rape victim—she has that choice. Thus, it's more morally ambiguous than murder.

Notice the lack of correspondence between your explanation of my position and my actual position. Proving, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you didn't comprehend it.

Originally posted by Astner

Though I do find it odd why the marriage with a nine year-old strikes you as such a vile act.

Especially since this was well over a thousand years ago when it was common all over the world, and in this case to the benefit of the child as well as her entire family.

I'm more repulsed by a 50+ year old man having sex with a nine year old than the marriage in of itself.

What does the time span and it being "common all over the world"(was it really?) have to do with anything? I'll ask another like scenario, slavery was common and in many parts of the world a 1,000 years ago, should I therefore not think slavery is wrong? Not that you'll likely answer, as you have a tendency to dodge.

Also find your dismissal of the act under the "benefit to the child and family" clause to be disturbing. Almost like it's okay to rape a child, as long as they[the child] benefit in some other fashion. Very NAMBLA-ish.

Astner will probably reply with some moral-themed bleen-grue argument.

Originally posted by eninn
It's simple

We kill the Batman?

Originally posted by Astner
it's*

Originally posted by Astner

I didn't say that it was ambiguous, I said that it was less ambiguous. I've clarified this in three posts already.

Originally posted by Astner

Once again, I never said that it was.

Originally posted by Astner

Your replies are the only ones displaying hints of retardation. I never said that rape is morally ambiguous.

Originally posted by Astner

You must have one heck of an ego. Let's break this down. This is what you thought I meant:

This is what I actually meant:

Originally posted by Astner

Notice the lack of correspondence between your explanation of my position and my actual position. Proving, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you didn't comprehend it.

ha

lulz indeed

In fact,
I do not know where I should start in this article
Result
The beauty and wonder of this remarkable behavior

Love and compassion - equality between boys and girls - education and character building - health care - breastfeeding ..... and lots and lots

Continued with me in all fields

Mercy of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him with the children

Kissing .....: A kind of physical contact, kissing is an expression of love that the Prophet often resort to. Sources indicate that his daughter Fatima and his grandchildren Hasan and Hussein (Abu Davud, "Adab" 144; Tirmizi, "Menakib" 50) kissed and he recommended it to others.

Seeing the Prophet kissing his grandson Hasan (or Hussein), a person named Akra b. Habis found this behavior strange and said: "I have ten children, but I have never kissed any of them." The Prophet gave this meaningful answer: "The merciless mercy will not be treated" (Buhari, "Adab" 18; Tirmizi, "Birr" 12).

Joking: It is known that joke is very important for children, who have a rich imagination. In the traditions relating to this subject, was witness that the Prophet measured and meaningful jokes at the same time were full of wisdom and instruction both for his grandchildren, Hasan and Hussein, and other children made:

A companion named Mahmud b. Rabi said that when he was five years old, the Prophet took some water from a bucket and threw it in his face and he did the same with the other children (Buhari, "Ilim" 18).

The exercise of the back and shoulders: A kind of physical contact, carrying children on his shoulders or back was an act often performed by the Prophet. In particular, each time he visited his daughter Fatima, he would immediately Hasan and Hussein, who would come to meet him on his back as a gesture of affection (Alauddin Ali al-Muttaki, Kenzu'l-Ummal , XVI, 274). Once he prayed with his granddaughter Umame on his back.

Another event that is relevant to the subject is as follows: Although he was sixty verses recited during the first unit of morning prayer, the Prophet finished the prayer by reading one of the shortest verses in the second unit, when he was a child cry heard . When asked why he did that, he gave this useful answer: "I heard a child crying and I shortened the prayer so as not to give the mother suffered" (Nasai, Qibla 35).

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Love shown to children is called "growth vitamin" by child psychology experts; because as a result of investigation and research, they have concluded that no kind of physical environment provided for a child or care shown can ever take the place of love.

On the other hand, in regard to socialization of the child, love that it has or has not seen plays a big role. When these realities are taken into consideration, it is obvious how important the love and interest the Prophet showed to children is from their perspective. The following examples of expressing love are manifestations of pure love in its most natural and plainest form that a father or grandfather can give a child.

Embracing: Recent studies made on the topic of people influencing one another demonstrate that physical touch is extremely effective. It is a fact that children who are still in the emotional development stage of childhood are perhaps most in need of love. It is foremost the duty of the parents to see that this need is sufficiently met. Many examples can be given on this subject from the Prophet's life:

Anas relates:

"I never saw anyone more compassionate to his family than the Prophet. The wet nurse of his son Ibrahim lived in one of Medina's border neighborhoods. The husband of the wet nurse was a blacksmith. Going there everyday to the smoke filled house, the Prophet would embrace, sniff and kiss the child "(Buhari," Adab "18; Muslim," Fedail "63).

As was the topic of many narrations of the Companions, the Prophet, sometimes going to Hasan and Hussein and sometime calling them to him, would embrace and kiss them (Buhari, "Fedailu's-Sahabe" 22; Tirmizi, "Birr" 11; Ibn Mace, "Adab" 3). He was not only showing this behavior for his own children, but for all children.

Ibn Rabia b. al-Haris relates: "My father sent me and Fazil, the son of Abbas, to the side of the Prophet. When we entered his presence, he had us sit on his right and left and then embraced us so tightly, we had never seen anyone stronger "(Ibn Hajer, al-Matalibu'l-Aliyye, II, 441.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBwhN0JBoHc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8U9JP9ZQb0