Tbh, I can easily see Darkseid withstanding the beating that Thanos took noticeably better. It wasn't like the people on the list just hammered Thanos continuously together for a long period of time.
The Avengers simply took turns punching Thanos in the face one by one. Thor struck him once, so did Hulk, Rulk, Thing, Grott, Captain America, and Vision. Say what you will about Darkseid but I don't think I've ever seen a portrayal where only 5 elite blows (Hulk/Rulk/Thor = 3 elites, and the rest equal = 2 elite, that's my indisputable math), would leave him so utterly humiliated and broken.
The era of Starlin is over my friends, expect for Thanos' stuck to just keep dropping, especially if he's being written by guys like Bendis. We're just lucky he didn't face the New Avengers or Luke Cage, Spider-Woman and Wolverine would have beaten him up solo.
The worst part about all this is how retarded Thanos looks though, especially in comparison to what comes earlier in his history.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tbh, I can easily see Darkseid withstanding the beating that Thanos took noticeably better. It wasn't like the people on the list just hammered Thanos continuously together for a long period of time.The Avengers simply took turns punching Thanos in the face one by one. Thor struck him once, so did Hulk, Rulk, Thing, Grott, Captain America, and Vision. Say what you will about Darkseid but I don't think I've ever seen a portrayal where only 5 elite blows (Hulk/Rulk/Thor = 3 elites, and the rest equal = 2 elite, that's my indisputable math), would leave him so utterly humiliated and broken.
The era of Starlin is over my friends, expect for Thanos' stuck to just keep dropping, especially if he's being written by guys like Bendis. We're just lucky he didn't face the New Avengers or Luke Cage, Spider-Woman and Wolverine would have beaten him up solo.
The worst part about all this is how retarded Thanos looks though, especially in comparison to what comes earlier in his history.
I'm sure Thanos took a lot more blows then what was shown on panel. There were probably a lot more off-panel but obviously they can't show everyone hitting Thanos, there's like over 20 heroes and limited space in a comic. E.g., he had arrows and a part of his suit was burning shows heavily implies other attacks were off-panel.
It was a bad showing for Thanos, but that doesn't invalidate his past feats though. If that were the case, then all you would need to beat Thor is a few laser pistols, but obviously that's stupid.
The team that beat Thanos was not so powerful at all
Thor, Hulk and maybe Rulk (I'm used to Loeb force Rulk, but if it he is around Thing level now, that make's it even more pathetic for Thanos) and that's it as far as opponents that would give Thanos problem go if Starlin was writing him.
People seem to try and desperately low ball the fact that Thanos got
pierced multiple times by Hawkeye's arrows (street leveler with the most basic ranged weapon in human history)
got his teeth knocked out by Cap (street leveler with a piece of metal)
got his face punched in by Vision.
was bleeding from his mouth, nose and also seen coughing blood, on his knees, with heroes making fun of him before, during and after the beating (I can't call it a fight since Thanos was outmatched the whole time)
So tbh NuDS could beat this team down, or at least look better than a bleeding, toothless wreck on his hands and knees with a symphony of mocking around him.
His Omega's alone would take most of the group that beat Thanos out or his area attack that leveled the League when he first appeared.
Characters like Hawkeye, Cap, Widow, Cage etc, should and would have no effect on Thanos under Starlin.
But as it stands now a Legolas can pierce Thanos skin, and characters like Luce Cage,Robocop and Iron Munro have way better feats against arrows (and shields) than Thanos.
Sad for a character like Thanos? True.
In continuity and in a major team book? Even truer.
When you have a bunch of 100+ guys like Thor, Hulk, Groot, Rulk etc beating down on a Thanos with no shields up that's pretty much what I always imagined would happen. He's not a Skyfather after all. Sure I would have expected Thanos to have put up more of prolonged fight before he went down but while he got beat up badly he wasn't KO'd. But he's just not going to physically beat those guys together (although the way Thor and Rulk are these days sort of affects my expectations - I'm surprised Thor wasn't KO'd himself).
Also I doubt the characters like Hawkeye, Cap, Widow, Cage had any effect at all.
Originally posted by vince_slice
^ Cap never knocked out Thanos tooth. The panel right after Cap's shield hit Thanos shows his teeth fully intact. Also the arrows never pierced his skin, if you look again, all the arrows hit his yellow shoulder armour. There were none on his actual body, and no blood either.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13621182/Avengers_Assemble-Zone-019.jpg.html
I'm going with the arrows at least breaking skin. Using Hawkeye's taunt arrow in that scene as a frame of refrence, almost half of each arrow is buried in Thanos. His armor -around the shoulders anyway- has been drawn as pretty thick, but not that thick. At least not in this issue.
Besides, there are arrows buried in his back.
Even if it wasn't Cap who broke Thanos teeth, it still means a street leveler with a hard chunk of metal can still punch Thanos in the face and he'll feel it (or at least be strong enough to throw Thano's head back.
Point is Thanos got his teeth broken among other things in this fight.
Also I agree with the poster above me, the arrows clearly pierced Thanos. And I always thought the shoulder pads were just decoration.
If not does that mean Thanos needs an armor?
After this beating it seems so.
Still doesn't help Thanos's case in the least.
Just think of this.
Take some friends of yours that have no idea about comics and show them the Darkseid vs Justice League Fight and the recent Thanos fight. Telling them of course who the characters are and what they can do.
And ask them to tell you who looked more powerful and who looked humiliated after the fights. Or just ask them to tell you what happened in their own words.
I'm sure you'll get the same results I got.
DS looked like an unstoppable big bad boss.
Thanos...I can honestly say I felt he was going to bust some tears after Rocket Raccoon was mocking him.
And LOL at the idea of Tony or Reed making an actual tooth fairy from Thanos's broken teeth. That would be priceless.
People don't seem to understand what this means for Thanos's rep and power levels.
I'll say it again
Luce Cake could be sleeping and still Hawkeye's arrows wouldn't do anything to him.
Thanos became a toothless pin cushion.
It looks bad for Thanos (and it is) but he got jumped by Groot, Thor, Rulk, Hulk, Vision, Captain America, and god knows what else happened off panel - and I personally really doubt Thanos just took one punch/strike a piece from those guys I mentioned as the rest just stood there.
In any case, using Captain America as the straw that broke the camel's back when he has a history of sonning people who are elites when the moment calls for it is kind of silly. Not even the first time Thanos registered his blows.
If you compare the roster from the Justice League and that of the combined forces of the Avengers/F4/GotG and asked a fan with minimal or no knowledge outside of telling him the basics of what each character can and has done, I find it very hard to believe they'll think the League is more formidable.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It looks bad for Thanos (and it is) but he got jumped by Groot, Thor, Rulk, Hulk, Vision, Captain America, and god knows what else happened off panel - and I personally really doubt Thanos just took one punch/strike a piece from those guys I mentioned as the rest just stood there.In any case, using Captain America as the straw that broke the camel's back when he has a history of sonning people who are elites when the moment calls for it is kind of silly. Not even the first time Thanos registered his blows.
I agree on some of your points.
Thanos's history is better than this.
But this is the current status.
It's in continuity, in the main team book of the whole Marvel Universe, written by the most commercial Marvel writer for the last decade at least.
As for off panel happenings, does it really matter? We all know most of the damage was done by Thor, Rulk, Hulk and maybe Groot.
None of them would be too much for Thanos under Starlin, BUT the point is this happened yesterday, and until some writer retcons this, this is Thanos for anyone who follows comics.
It's the simple reality of things.
If you want just show your friends in which status Thanos and DS were AFTER the fight. DS was winning the fight , Thanos had already lost in a humiliating way.
And I seriously think that Supes, GL, WW, Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg are more formidable as a group against the Thor, Hul, Rulk and maybe Invisible Woman, Iron Man and Groot (who I consider as the most dangerous from the group that attacked Thanos)
It's not a matter of numbers.
You can take out everyone below maybe Pym or Drax, and the characters you are left with are not more powerful than the League.
IMHO of course.
If Rulk was using his energy absorption powers, or Reed some tech, then yeah they would present a bigger threat
But we already know Rulk doesn't use his powers anymore and there was no tech involved (apart from the thing that brought Thanos back to his normal level)
The team that beat Thanos, was not impressive IMHO ofcourse.
3-5 people that can cause damage to Thanos and A LOT of fodder.
And yet even the fodder shat all over Thanos.
Originally posted by comicfan11
I agree on some of your points.
Thanos's history is better than this.But this is the current status.
It's in continuity, in the main team book of the whole Marvel Universe, written by the most commercial Marvel writer for the last decade at least.As for off panel happenings, does it really matter? We all know most of the damage was done by Thor, Rulk, Hulk and maybe Groot.
None of them would be too much for Thanos under Starlin, BUT the point is this happened yesterday, and until some writer retcons this, this is Thanos for anyone who follows comics.It's the simple reality of things.
It is. And per forum rules and mod rulings we're supposed to use characters at their optimal levels of standard depictions (barring stips or when directly stated otherwise). So yes, this feat is canon and can be used for evidence. It certainly doesn't contradict everything about the characters in the general sense, though. If we applied that reasoning for every feat ever from here on out, we're going to have some outright retarded stances being made.
We don't know what happened off panel, but it's very clear that Thanos was attacked until he was bloodied (we don't even see what causes that). And considering the feats of Thor, Rulk, Hulk, and Groot, even if it was just them attacking Thanos and dealing damage to him, Thanos dropping to his knees and still being conscious and denying defeat isn't the horrible feat you might think it is.
It's Thanos, sure. But indicative of his entire history and average depictions which we're to use for versus forums? No, not really.
I guess I just never cling to high end or low end single feats/comics to make or break characters as it's just asking for trouble, imo.
Originally posted by comicfan11They all jumped him. Thanos still wasn't ko'd and I've seen Thor's atacks alone wreck Galactus' helmet so calm down. Darkseid was bested by an inexperienced jla team. Thanos required the Elders aid, a plot device, and three teams which have saved the universe on their own more than anyone can remember to count and at the end Thanos still wasn't ko'd.
If Rulk was using his energy absorption powers, or Reed some tech, then yeah they would present a bigger threatBut we already know Rulk doesn't use his powers anymore and there was no tech involved (apart from the thing that brought Thanos back to his normal level)
The team that beat Thanos, was not impressive IMHO ofcourse.
3-5 people that can cause damage to Thanos and A LOT of fodder.
And yet even the fodder shat all over Thanos.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It is. And per forum rules and mod rulings we're supposed to use characters at their optimal levels of standard depictions (barring stips or when directly stated otherwise). So yes, this feat is canon and can be used for evidence. It certainly doesn't contradict everything about the characters in the general sense, though. If we applied that reasoning for every feat ever from here on out, we're going to have some outright retarded stances being made.We don't know what happened off panel, but it's very clear that Thanos was attacked until he was bloodied (we don't even see what causes that). And considering the feats of Thor, Rulk, Hulk, and Groot, even if it was just them attacking Thanos and dealing damage to him, Thanos dropping to his knees and still being conscious and denying defeat isn't the horrible feat you might think it is.
It's Thanos, sure. But indicative of his entire history and average depictions which we're to use for versus forums? No, not really.
I guess I just never cling to high end or low end single feats/comics to make or break characters as it's just asking for trouble, imo.
I agree on most of this, and if Thanos lost the fight in a competent way, then yeah you could almost say it's not sooooooo bad.
But the details are what make it so noteworthy.
And the state in which Thanos was left after the fight, is the icing on the cake.
Bottom line I can't wait for the next Thanos vs Odin thread for example.
It should be fun after this.
