Madison jeffries Vs Cyborg Superman

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Wait, Madison can create new organic bodies now? I thought he only made Box bots and Lionel had the control over organic material? Has that changed?

As for how to hurt his organic body, impaling always seems to work.

No, still the same, but Jeffries once phases with the metal his organic body is basically gone.

Ummmm...did you not see the scans I posted above? You're thinking of Box versions 1-2. This is Box version 4.

IIRC, Hank had some mental powers that could work on Madison as well.

Originally posted by Golgo13
IIRC, Hank had some mental powers that could work on Madison as well.

As in telepathy? Won't work. Not even Cable and Bedlam could manipulate or read Jeffries.

Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Madison Jeffries
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Madison Jeffries
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Abilities
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Telepathic Resistance
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Alpha Flight #53 [Vol.1]:
Jeffries becomes more machine than man, which shields him from detection by Bedlam

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Weapon X #12 [Vol.2]:
Even Cable's telepathy won't work against Jeffries

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I think it was a possession power. As for the control of bots, it was over a billion on some planet.

That's the rub though, because Hank also has a similar ability (his ability to inhabit and form bodies out of metals and tech). If Hank were to inhabit the Box bot I'm not sure whether Madison's control would supersede Hank's.

On another note: Is Madison able to survive without his human body now or something? I thought when he 'phased in' to the Box armor it was more akin to the him becoming enveloped in the metal, not his human body becoming metallic itself? Has that changed Mungi?

Which I highly doubt will work on Jeffries unless you have proof to the contrary?

He became their Grandmaster and physically made them in a factory. He didn't convert each one.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No, still the same, but Jeffries once phases with the metal his organic body is basically gone.

Ummmm...did you not see the scans I posted above? You're thinking of Box versions 1-2. This is Box version 4.

Nah, I read that whole run a long time ago. I'm aware of that story, I just was under the impression you meant that Madison could create himself a new organic body.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
That's the rub though, because Hank also has a similar ability (his ability to inhabit and form bodies out of metals and tech). If Hank were to inhabit the Box bot I'm not sure whether Madison's control would supersede Hank's.

On another note: Is Madison able to survive without his human body now or something? I thought when he 'phased in' to the Box armor it was more akin to the him becoming enveloped in the metal, not his human body becoming metallic itself? Has that changed Mungi?

So Hank would have better control over Jeffries own body? Unlikely. Have evidence to support that claim?

It changed over 20 years ago. His body becomes living metal. Doesn't matter how much or how little he becomes the metal. As shown he could just be a head and restore his body and pop out fine. He can change his shape to any level.

Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Madison Jeffries
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BOX Armor Manipulation
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Size Manipulation
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Alpha Flight #53 [Vol.1]:
Jeffries decreases his size to a few inches and then transforms back to full size. He did this to stop Bedlam's mental attacks on him. Transformers eat your hearts out.

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When has Madison resisted such an attack>

Originally posted by Golgo13
When has Madison resisted such an attack>

Better question when has Hank done that to someone like Jeffires?

I believe he did it to a few GL's, but either way, I'd place my bets on Hank, IF he can go to body to body.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I believe he did it to a few GL's, but either way, I'd place my bets on Hank, IF he can go to body to body.

You talking about Alpha Lanterns? Thier machines. I don't, you haven't proved anything or even prove he could take over Jeffries with that tactic. He's NOT a machine, he's a real human being

No, not Alpha Lanterns, but GLC.

When and where? I don't recall this.

Regardless still have to prove that tactic will work on Jeffries rather then wishful thinking.

I'll try and dig it up, but there is nothing Madison can do to stop Hank, since he doesn't even need a body.

Show me instances of him jumping from machine to machine in combat. He's been beaten many times and vanished for months on end.

At least you are now starting to think stalemate then a stomp. If Jeffries gets rid all of the machines then what will Hank do? Limbo.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Show me instances of him jumping from machine to machine in combat. He's been beaten many times and vanished for months on end.

At least you are now starting to think stalemate then a stomp.

I never said it was a stomp to begin with. But it is an interesting fight to say the least.

Hank wins. Hank also has matter manipulation too and honestly can take control of any technology jeffries can come up with.

Show me these examples then.

A literal cybernetic god paused in fear when Jeffries threatened him. Jeffries is one of the smartest people in the Marvel U, his tech is incredible. He even talked to a coffee maker and got the idea to travel in time...and no I'm not kidding. He and Nemesis created a new brach of physics in an hour and a half

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hank wins. Hank also has matter manipulation too and honestly can take control of any technology jeffries can come up with.

Didn't he create a new body instantly in Superman/Batman Annual?