Originally posted by armedforbattle
I've seen enough doom and Loki to know that doom will not be disturbed by such nuisances
No you haven't. Your opinion isn't supportable, the evidence just doesn't exist for Doom to be able to easily beat Loki.
Originally posted by Mindset
Bruce just tried to white knight you, you may as well concede.Also, gay.
Stop being so jelly.
obviously mag's power is beyond simple 'magnetism'. he literally turned logan's adamantium to liquid and pulled it out of him. if ultron has matter manip counter measures i've never seen them and would need to before accepting the idea that mags can't tool him. afaik molecular rearrangement was always a weakness before. if doom can protect mags long enough (and i don't see why not) to take out ultron i don't see team 1 winning at all. as for why one should see ultron as the weak link--because he has an exploitable weakness and the guy on the other side is about as good as there is at exploiting said weakness.
Originally posted by Starscream M
weren't doom and loki in a comic together in recent years...who was the superior and who was the servant?
Loki at the very least came off as something beyond Doom's ability to grasp as he admitted (Initially anyways). I recall him acknowledging Loki's power in a way that would indicate superiority as well when his defenses tried (And utterly failed) to stop Loki from entering his castle. It's been a while though.
Originally posted by armedforbattle
Doom was the superior in the instance I'm thinking of.
And what instance would that be?
Originally posted by Starscream M
but was he subserviant to doom or the other way around?
Neither was. Doom seemed to acknowledge Loki's power and mischievousness, Loki acknowledge his resources and intelligence. Both treated each other with begrudging respect and both tried to screw each other over behind their back. Loki saved Doom from Thor and used him but Doom managed to snag Loki's DNA.
There was no master/servant role in play.
I have to re-read the arcs again to get into more detail. They encountered each other more than once in the last few years.
Originally posted by Starscream M
but was he subserviant to doom or the other way around?
They had a mutual goal prior to joining the Osborn's Cabal.
Loki wanted to spread mischief and banish Thor from Asgard and put Balder on the throne, whom he could manipulate easier. Doom wanted to experiment on Asgardians and find out what made them tick.
Neither was subserviant to the other and both held a healthy respect of the other's capabilities. Doom acted as a host for Loki and the Asgardians for a time and Loki saved Doom from getting killed by Thor. And apparently, Doom has a sample of Loki's DNA and has been attempting to clone him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Loki at the very least came off as something beyond Doom's ability to grasp as he admitted (Initially anyways). I recall him acknowledging Loki's power in a way that would indicate superiority as well when his defenses tried (And utterly failed) to stop Loki from entering his castle. It's been a while though.And what instance would that be?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Loki at the very least came off as something beyond Doom's ability to grasp as he admitted (Initially anyways). I recall him acknowledging Loki's power in a way that would indicate superiority as well when his defenses tried (And utterly failed) to stop Loki from entering his castle. It's been a while though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Neither was. Doom seemed to acknowledge Loki's power and mischievousness, Loki acknowledge his resources and intelligence. Both treated each other with begrudging respect and both tried to screw each other over behind their back.There was no master/servant role in play.
I have to re-read the arcs again to get into more detail. They encountered each other more than once in the last few years.
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That's what happened.
Doom and Loki?
I think you guys might also be remembering the Acts of Vengeance story arch.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Marvelage81actsofv.jpg
In that story, Doom acted as the visible "leader" of the group, but Loki was actually the one calling the shots, creating the entire plan, gathering the talent, manipulating everyone involved and managing Doom behind the scenes.
