Russia slides further from freedom

Apologies for using the word 'freedom' in the tagline. It's such an ill-defined term, but it gets people's attention.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20048630

Current law describes high treason as espionage or other assistance to a foreign state damaging Russia's external security. The new bill expands that definition to include moves against Russia's "constitutional order, sovereignty and territorial and state integrity". The opposition Just Russia party said such a wide definition of high treason meant "almost any Russian citizen with any contacts with any foreigner" could be accused of betraying the state, according to Reuters. In addition, the proposal adds multinational organisations to a list of groups that could benefit from state secrets. Human rights campaigners have said that this could mean that sharing information with international organisations such as Amnesty International or even lodging an appeal with the European Court of Human Rights could become a criminal act.

Seems Romney was right, Russia still hates freedom.

Meanwhile, Obama passes NDAA, murders a 16 year old American boy with a drone and restricts free speech. Looks like America is on the same boat.

^ I don't think the US is anywhere close to Russia in terms of abuses of power and oppression. The Patriot Act or NDAA are nothing compared to this new bill the Duma is working to pass.

I mean, the Pussy Riot girls just got shipped to the next best thing to a Gulag for what wouldn't be more than a few hundred dollar's fine in America (if punishable at all)

Edit: The entire concept of indefinite detention is a matter of fierce debate in America. In Russia, the only question is who deserves it.

I would say its close enough concidering we are the home of the "free".

Assassinating a 16 year old american kid because his dad is a "bad guy" whos committed only speech crimes is pretty ****in dreadful.

That's not even close. The moment I start calling "Big Brother OMG Police State!" is when Drone Attacks start hitting Americans who aren't living in warzones in close proximity to actual terrorists.

I just find it really hard to look at the al-Awlaki case and think that this portends the death of freedom in America.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I would say its close enough

do you know Russia?

Originally posted by Oliver North
do you know Russia?

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Meanwhile, Obama passes NDAA, murders a 16 year old American boy with a drone and restricts free speech. Looks like America is on the same boat.

yeah thats relevant to the topic (it isnt remotely relevant to the topic)

So in Russia, they've criminalized Low Treason (dissent)

You can't help but wonder, if the Russians are so hell-bent on selling off their freedoms for a little security, why isn't America trading some of their securities for freedom. It's a valuable commodity, and America has plenty of security to sell. With a purchase as big as Russia's freedom, the U.S. could forgo the gold that Ron Paul wants, and instead instate a freedom-based currency. The Freedom Standard, if you will.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You can't help but wonder, if the Russians are so hell-bent on selling off their freedoms for a little security, why isn't America trading some of their securities for freedom. It's a valuable commodity, and America has plenty of security to sell. With a purchase as big as Russia's freedom, the U.S. could forgo the gold that Ron Paul wants, and instead instate a freedom-based currency. The Freedom Standard, if you will.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yeah thats relevant to the topic (it isnt remotely relevant to the topic)

Tangentially, it is related. The point was, "We can scoff at Russia...but lookie at what we're doing."

And here I thought there was a difference in being accused and being convicted. Silly me.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tangentially, it is related.

and then so is obama's hairdo, tangentially.

...and then the pro's and con's of using anti dandruff shampoo

...and then animal testing for cosmetic/hygene products

...and then who was the better rabbit: bugs bunny or thumper?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
yeah thats relevant to the topic (it isnt remotely relevant to the topic)

When in Rome stoned

Originally posted by focus4chumps
and then so is obama's hairdo, tangentially.

...and then the pro's and con's of using anti dandruff shampoo

...and then animal testing for cosmetic/hygene products

...and then who was the better rabbit: bugs bunny or thumper?

No.

^ Yeah, you totally just refuted his statements with logic.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Tangentially, it is related. The point was, "We can scoff at Russia...but lookie at what we're doing."

I believe I did.

I also believe we are on the topic of freedom as well. You totally just refuted his statements with logic.

Keep it on Russia, folks. We have other threads for American politics.