Re: The Greatest Dark Lords Of the Sith
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic😆
1 Marka Ragnos. 2 Naga Sadow. 3 Darth Viliate. 4 Tulak Hord. 5 Lord Scourge. 6 Exar Kun. 7 Freeden Nadd. 8 Darth Traya. 9 AjuntaPall. 10 Darth Sidious. if there are any disagreements i can state facts on why this is the true Top 10 conserning the sith empire's lords.
How does Caedus make that list? He never even had so much as a true apprentice, never had an empire or even an army of his own, and could barely even get his own people to address him as Darth Caedus. He only survived as long as he did because Luke couldn't bring himself to kill him.
He had a lot of arcane knowledge, but a great Lord of the Sith he was not.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
How does Caedus make that list? He never even had so much as a true apprentice, never had an empire or even an army of his own, and could barely even get his own people to address him as Darth Caedus. He only survived as long as he did because Luke couldn't bring himself to kill him.He had a lot of arcane knowledge, but a great Lord of the Sith he was not.
He was a very strong fighter (and the Luke thing would've applied to just about any other Sith lord had they been around ^^). And he was in charge of the GA's military for a bit.
So, I can see the logic in including him.
Originally posted by Q99
He was a very strong fighter (and the Luke thing would've applied to just about any other Sith lord had they been around ^^). And he was in charge of the GA's military for a bit.So, I can see the logic in including him.
Yeah, but he lost control over the entirety of the forces very soon after he declared himself. Only part of the fleet remained loyal to him. Not exactly what you call the thrall of a great Sith Lord.
Re: The Greatest Dark Lords Of the Sith
Greatest is ambiguous term.
The more I read about the lore; the harder it gets to rank characters.
Greatest in the context of innovating dark side practices?
I believe that Ancient Sith will rate significantly high here.
Greatest in the context of accomplishments?
Some of the greats I recall are (not in order):
- Darth Sidious (Transformed the Republic from within in to a Sith Empire)
- Darth Vitiate (Created a Sith Empire from ashes and nearly conquered the Galaxy)
- Darth Revan (Nearly conquered the Republic and source of future innovation)
- Darth Bane (Reshaped the Sith Order)
- Marka Ragnos (Golden Age of Sith)
- Ajunta Pall (Discovery of Korriban and laying down foundations of the Sith Order)
Originally posted by GenomeFrozener Lol no. Marka doesn't even have credible feats to be considered "strong".
I used to think otherwise but SWTORE changed my perception about him.
Originally posted by Arhael
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His kill record is extremely impressive.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
(NOTE: I'm not including Traya/Nihilus/Sion... They're too O.P)1. Darth Sidious (Dark Empire Version)
2. Darth Plagues
3. Sith Emperor Vitiate
4. Marka Ragnos
5. Exar Kun
6. Darth Bane
7. Darth Caedus
8. Darth Krayt (Reborn)
9. Darth Vader (Suited)
10. Darth Malgus
"Much to learn you still have"
The top ones as per promotion are (no specific order);
- Darth Vitiate
- Darth Sidious (DE)
- Darth Plagueis
Power wise, Vitiate and Sidious are same IMO.
Command of the dark side wise, Vitiate is number 1. This guy was capable of performing unparalleled feats with his Sith Sorcery.
However, it is possible that some Sith Lords were even more formidable then Darth Plagueis.
Some other greats are;
- Marka Ragnos (Master of the dark side)
- Darth Marr (Master of the dark side)
- First Son (Master of the dark side)
Additional ones:
- Darth Revan (Champion of the dark side)
- Darth Nihilus (Insane feats)
- Darth Jadus (Insane feats)
- Tulak Hord (Insane feats)
- Mysterious Sith Inquisitor (Insane feats)
- Darth Darth Thanaton (Supremely powerful Sith Lord)
- Darth Malgus
- Darth Baras
- Darth Nyriss
- Exar Kun
- Darth Bane
- Darth Zannah
- Darth Traya
- Darth Caedus
- Darth Malak (SF)
- Darth Vader (OT)
- Karness Murr
- Darth Krayt (Reborn)
What I can think of thus far.
Their are some serious bad@sses in the Sith history. It is becoming nearly impossible to rank these characters, given the hype they are receiving. I am not even sure if Darth Vader (OT) falls in the top 10 category now.
Some examples:
- Karness Murr thinks of Darth Krayt (Reborn) as a joke.
- Mysterious Sith Inquisitor kills Darth Thanaton with combined might of several dark spirits
- Tulak Hord once moved a Starship
Oh! Damn! It is not even funny....
Re: Re: The Greatest Dark Lords Of the Sith
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- Karness Murr thinks of Darth Krayt (Reborn) as a joke.
Pre-Reborn. It was the Muur encounter that helped him figure out how to heal himself, not to mention the fight that made being reborn necessary. And Muur didn't rate Krayt badly, Muur did think he was a powerful Sith who'd make an excellent host (more-so than Cade, and much like he thought of Vader), it's just he felt he was stronger still, and his stance was "I'm awesome, other Sith should really just be my host." Granted, he was extremely badass, but he did look at other Sith as potential hosts first.
Darth Andeddu was the one who really thought the One Sith were jokes. Then he talked smack about Wyyrlok, who's merely the 'Dooku' to Krayt's 'Sidious', then Wyyrlok blocked his lightning with one bare hand hand and killed him in a contest of Andeddu's own best sorcery like it was no thing 🙂
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Originally posted by Q99
Pre-Reborn. It was the Muur encounter that helped him figure out how to heal himself, not to mention the fight that made being reborn necessary. And Muur didn't rate Krayt badly, Muur did think he was a powerful Sith who'd make an excellent host (more-so than Cade, and much like he thought of Vader), it's just he felt he was stronger still, and his stance was "I'm awesome, other Sith should really just be my host." Granted, he was extremely badass, but he did look at other Sith as potential hosts first.
Originally posted by Q99
Darth Andeddu was the one who really thought the One Sith were jokes. Then he talked smack about Wyyrlok, who's merely the 'Dooku' to Krayt's 'Sidious', then Wyyrlok blocked his lightning with one bare hand hand and killed him in a contest of Andeddu's own best sorcery like it was no thing 🙂
Though one thing to note here is that Sith aren't super warriors in spirit forms.
Very few were extremely dangerous in spirit form such as Vitiate and Exar Kun.
Even Marka Ragnos didn't accomplish much in spirit form. In his original form, he would have shown Jaden Korr what power means; he would have squashed him like a bug.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
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Though one thing to note here is that Sith aren't super warriors in spirit forms.Very few were extremely dangerous in spirit form such as Vitiate and Exar Kun.
Even Marka Ragnos didn't accomplish much in spirit form. In his original form, he would have shown Jaden Korr what power means; he would have squashed him like a bug. [/B]
Oh, he had a body. While he spent a long time as a spirit in his holocron, he had it set up so that when someone placed it on his body, it'd suck the life from that person and restore his, flesh and all, and it was thus restored that Wyyrlok kicked his ass. He also had a sith scepter with a crystal in it, so he had his armament to boot.
And after Wyyrlok killed him, he tk lifted the body back into the tomb, and stole his books. Because that's how Wyyrlok rolls.
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Originally posted by Q99
Oh, he had a body. While he spent a long time as a spirit in his holocron, he had it set up so that when someone placed it on his body, it'd suck the life from that person and restore his, flesh and all, and it was thus restored that Wyyrlok kicked his ass. He also had a sith scepter with a crystal in it, so he had his armament to boot.And after Wyyrlok killed him, he tk lifted the body back into the tomb, and stole his books. Because that's how Wyyrlok rolls.
I have personally never thought of Darth Andeddu as a warrior; he is mainly noted for his knowledge of Sith Lore (specially the ritual of Essence Transfer).
I recall that Andeddu's gatekeeper attempted to excercise cockiness against Bane but the latter individual "forced" the knowledge out of him. 😂
This is Bane's assessment of Andeddu:
Like many of the ancient Sith, he was cruel, arrogant, self-centered, and shortsighted. His lessons mirrored those of Bane's instructors at the Sith Academy on Korriban; lessons Bane had rejected decades ago as flawed.
He had moved beyond their teachings. His understanding of the dark side had evolved. In creating the Rule of Two, he had ushered in a new era for the Sith. He had transcended the limited understanding of men like Andeddu, and he was done listening to the gatekeeper's ignorant litany. (Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil)
Though I must give credit to Wyyrlok; he had command of Sith Sorcery and used this to his advantage against Andeddu to win the fight. Also, Wyylock defeated Krayt once.
So I gather that Karness Murr have played role in return of Krayt and increasing his power?
I have personally never thought of Darth Andeddu as a warrior; he is mainly noted for his knowledge of Sith Lore (specially the ritual of Essence Transfer).
He was noted as a sith sorcerer. It says something his main weapon was a scepter and not a blade (though he did own a lightsaber as well).
In his time, he was the Dark Lord of the Sith who was feared enough for his power that the other Sith ganged up on him to take him down.
Though I must give credit to Wyyrlok; he had command of Sith Sorcery and used this to his advantage against Andeddu to win the fight. Also, Wyylock defeated Krayt once.
Well, not exactly beat Krayt, more assassinated. I'll get to that.
And yea, Wyyrlok managed to beat Andeddu at his own game.
So I gather that Karness Murr have played role in return of Krayt and increasing his power?
Major role. When the Muur amulet showed up, they attempted to strike a partnership, and got as far as Muur helping Krayt heal his wounds (from which he observed some of Muur's healing method).
Then the Jedi + Imperial Knights showed up and turned into a brawl, and Muur's host Celeste Morne tried to kill Krayt. Krayt tried making a deal with her- join him and they'd control Muur together.
Muur took over Morne's body and the two dark lords got into a lightning duel (in which Muur was grabbing Krayt's lightning and tossing some of it back)... but just after it started, Imperial Knight Master Azlyn stabbed Krayt in the back with a lightsaber, causing him to in turn be zapped.
Then they tossed him off a cliff, where he was wounded but not killed. Then Wyyrlok showed up and finished the job with lightning of his own, and put the body in stasis to use as a figurehead (he could claim he was speaking to Krayt in stasis as he'd done before), but instead the dead Krayt used his knowledge partially gained from Muur to heal himself from death and remove his vong implants. Then came back and challenge Wyyrlok, which was a pretty hard-fought battle, especially when Wyyrlok tried illusion on him, but Krayt was the more powerful and won.
Originally posted by GenomeFrozenerOk i guess this proves you wrong. Wookieepedia.
Lol no. Marka doesn't even have credible feats to be considered "strong".
A Sith-Human hybrid,[4] Marka Ragnos was a direct descendant from a Dark Jedi who had fled the Republic after the Hundred-Year Darkness,[4] who lived 20,000 years after the formation of the Old Republic.[6] Feared, obeyed, and admired among the Sith,[7] Ragnos was considered to have been the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith of his age, and was born a long time before 5,100 BBY.[8] When the Dark Lord of the Sith died, Ragnos and another powerful Sith, Simus, rose up to take the mantle. A formidable warrior, Ragnos dueled and defeated Simus in combat circa 5,100 BBY, proving himself worthy of the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith.[2]
After gaining the mantle of a Dark Lord, he led ruthless campaigns against his Sith enemies,[9] pitting his adversaries against each other and ensuring that there were no threats to his throne.[7] His iron-fisted rule would last over a century.[2][9][10] During those times Ragnos likely composed his own epistle,[11] created a Scepter capable of siphoning the Force from many different places, which could be used to empower non-force users,[3] and designed a pair of gauntlets capable of augmenting the strength of the Force on its user.[7]
Marka Ragnos's Powers and abilities
Marka Ragnos was powerful, both physically and in the use of the Force,[7] and was considered to be among the most powerful Siths and Force-users in Sith and Jedi history,[5] leading the Sith Empire to a Golden Age of their existence, conducting brutal and ruthless campaigns against his Sith enemies.[5][10][7] Ragnos had such knowledge about the Force, that even during his funeral, he was able to show himself to Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh as a spirit, orchestrating their duel, thus deciding the future fate of the Sith Empire.[5] He also knew how to keep the essence of his body alive, 5000 years after his death, and was proficient in the use of Sith magic.[9] Ragnos' connection with the Force was strong enough to posses Tavion Axmis in order to fight against Jaden Korr.[3] Ragnos didn't always wield a lightsaber, the common weapon of the Sith Lords[16] and the Jedi Knights,[17] instead, he mostly wielded a Sith sword,[3] consisting of a metal blade enhanced by Sith sorcery,[3] a weapon of the primitive Sith race,[9] which he could hide inside his scepter.[3] It is possible only he knew of the sword's hiding place, as Tavion Axmis did not draw it until she was possessed by Ragnos.[3] His skills with his customized Sith sword were remarkable in his duel against Jaden Korr inside of his own tomb, as he could skillfully deflect the attacks Korr provided against him, and at the same time,[3] he could unleash the power of the Sith magic with which his sword was imbued.[3] Ragnos also owned a pair of dark gauntlets which increased his skill with a melee weapon or a lightsaber.[7]
Further investigation of Marka Ragnos revealed his physical body had intangibility properties. Thus individuals were able to see through Marka Ragnos at the time he had his body.
Through more investigation. It was revealed that Marka Ragnos's spirit was placed in a nexus prison, and one that absorbed the sith lord's continually growing power. It was the only way to confine Marka Ragnos.
Marka Ragnos is the most powerful dark lord of the Sith unquestionably 🙂.
Originally posted by Galan007For 1. When Marka Ragnos ruled the sith empire, he put them into their one and only golden age. And when Ragnos died, that golden age ended. 2nd, even when Marka Ragnos was alive, he was see-through. Meaning he never had a solid physical form, thus Ragnos possessed the feat of physical intangibility. Marka Ragnos is the Most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith.
Soooo, what did Ragnos actually do? What feats did he preform that put him at #1, iyo?
Originally posted by Star Wars LogicOh my God you've got to tell me what chemical you're ingesting--I need in on that hallucinogenic shit man.
2nd, even when Marka Ragnos was alive, he was see-through. Meaning he never had a solid physical form, thus Ragnos possessed the feat of physical intangibility.
Originally posted by Lord LucienYou just made yourself look stupid (and not in the good way).
Oh my God you've got to tell me what chemical you're ingesting--I need in on that hallucinogenic shit man.
Marka Ragnos was see-through when he had his physical body, thus he had no solid physical from, he possessed the feat of physical intangibility. Heck there was a book made back during the 1980's, a book with the physical Marka Ragnos, the very same book that the star wars Jedi academy video game was 50% based on.
I guess all of you here are either ignorant, or on pot. If not, cease with your insignificant opinions 🙂