Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Need to put a note in here (not starting an argument or anything, just clarifying something)In this scan with Sentry being unable to stop Blastaar's army. Sentry was in the Negative Zone, which extremely weakens him. Still a very good feat for Hulk but I think the way it was described lacks some context.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The issue is Secret Wars II #8. Aaand...
There are many things wrong with your comparison. Firstly, while the idea behind the Sentry comparison is right, its a bit off. Hulk was playing with Sentry, while here he is attacking Beyonder. And pre-retcon beyonder is so ridiculously above Sentry that its not even funny.And-Beyonder was hurt by Thing in one of the previous issues, the issue of being in a mortal body.
And being able to hurt a ridculously ridiculously overpowered entity - in the end it is up to the writer bub, we fans don't have a say there. Unless of course you are Roger Sterns
And practically being able to do anything to the Beyonder can be considered a feat by some fans.
Hulk was playing with him yes, but both times constituted of a surprise to a certain character. Sentry being grabbed by Hulk and Beyonder being ambushed by Hulk.
I wasn't making any remarks about Sentry being anywhere near Pre-Retcon Beyonder if that's what you're implying.
You don't know, perhaps I am Roger Sterns 😛
But the truth is we know why he was able to shock Beyonder. Beyonder wanted to see why Hulk was acting so vicious.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
And Scot, why didn't you respond to Carver's post sooner instead of jumping on the bandwagon with Kakuzu? I know you aren't a Hulk hater, but the one you joined with is not so pure. And to others, no cooment t Grey Hulk one-shotting Renassaince Iron Man? Guss Ts didn't see it.
I wasn't jumping on a bandwagon in any way. I will tell you why.
Carver threatened him with mod action because he disagreed with him. Kakuzu gave his opinion. I didn't jump in on a bandwagon. It angered me that Carver spins a yarn with the scans then has a go at Kakuzu for apparently being wrong.
And to be honest I did want to post a response when I first saw it. But unfortunately I had to go to a funeral and obviously after that I had my Uncle on my mind rather than some misconstrued feat.
The problem is some times now Carver has lied.
1. Sentry couldn't stop Blastaar's army but Hulk can. When we know he was in the Negative Zone, ergo he was weakened severely.
2. Hulk hurt the Beyonder when we know he was actively seeking to test whether he was still as vicious.
3. Acting as if Wanda used the same reality warping power she did when Red Onslaught controlled her on Kluh when that clearly wasn't the case.
I'm sorry but I am not going to stand for it. You have people that visit the forums that are very impressionable and read the thread and take the feats he has posted for gospel. Then they come onto the versus forum and due to misinformation get the p*ss taken out of them. And to be frank it's unfair.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Note apologies to Carver and all Hulk fans browsing the thread. I didn't want to clog it up with me rambling. I just sometimes need to make sure that people know what actually happened.
You need to stop that though. No one goes into Sentry thread derailing it...especially when 80% of the things in there that is mentioned is wrong. It's a respect thread...leave it be.
Originally posted by carver9
You need to stop that though. No one goes into Sentry thread derailing it...especially when 80% of the things in there that is mentioned is wrong. It's a respect thread...leave it be.
Like you said it's best to leave it lie. We obviously have different views on the scans.
Like I said I am sorry for what happened.
I get too invested in it and let it get to my head.
No one goes into Sentry thread derailing it...especially when 80% of the things in there that is mentioned is wrong.
Explain this for me. Are you saying most things in the Sentry thread are wrong?
Considering you told me to stop derailing which I apologized for I don't see why you have made a little remark like that.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Like you said it's best to leave it lie. We obviously have different views on the scans.Like I said I am sorry for what happened.
I get too invested in it and let it get to my head.
Explain this for me. Are you saying most things in the Sentry thread are wrong?
Considering you told me to stop derailing which I apologized for I don't see why you have made a little remark like that.
Yes, a lot in that thread is wrong. I can go in there and reply to every last one of the posts in that thread pointing out what's wrong. Just because you don't think someone making pain noise doesn't mean they were hurt doesn't mean you should come in here and derail a thread.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, a lot in that thread is wrong. I can go in there and reply to every last one of the posts in that thread pointing out what's wrong. Just because you don't think someone making pain noise doesn't mean they were hurt doesn't mean you should come in here and derail a thread.
Well that's your opinion and your entitled to it.
I will agree to disagree with you.
I ultimately ended up derailing the thread and I apologized. I got too involved and I am sorry. Can't say much more.
Originally posted by carver9
Last post on this, just want your opinion...when Hulk charge him in the beginning and Beyonder said Uhhh...why did he say that?
I would say Beyonder wanted to see Hulk, as he was calling out for him. Then out of nowhere he gets bullrushed by him and he probably received a knock from a 100+ tonner in the Hulk so it probably did shock him for this big green lump to clatter into him.
He shocked him but never did hurt him.
Because remember ultimately a lot of Beyonder's story was him wanting to learn about other people and humanity. So his intention was to meet him some way.
Like I said it's a cool feat to post in the Miscellaneous Section as it's a decent scan to show for any Hulk fan but I don't think it's a strength feat. Because if he did hurt Beyonder then he has obviously done what he usually did which was ultimately planning for things to happen like he has done with Doom in Secret Wars.
Also just to say I PM'd you.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
But unfortunately I had to go to a funeral and obviously after that I had my Uncle on my mind rather than some misconstrued feat.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
3. Acting as if Wanda used the same reality warping power she did when Red Onslaught controlled her on Kluh when that clearly wasn't the case.[/B]
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Oh, I'm so sorry man. Really. Apologies for bothering you.Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. But its still a feat considering the magnitude of her powers. For example, Hulk tanks Thor's lighting, and then wrecker tanks Thor's lightning. We know that Thor will not put as much power into a lightning bolt used on Wrecker as much as the power as he puts into a blast used on Hulk. But it is a feat for both considering what Thor has done with his lightning.
Honestly it's no problem. It wasn't up to you to know. I think that's why I started the whole debate here in the first place. I was a bit emotionally under strain so I think I took everything a bit to seriously.
Yeah still a good feat to resist it, Kluh pretty much no sold it. Good feat overall.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Oh, I'm so sorry man. Really. Apologies for bothering you.Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. But its still a feat considering the magnitude of her powers. For example, Hulk tanks Thor's lighting, and then wrecker tanks Thor's lightning. We know that Thor will not put as much power into a lightning bolt used on Wrecker as much as the power as he puts into a blast used on Hulk. But it is a feat for both considering what Thor has done with his lightning.
She was out to kill Kluh.
Originally posted by carver9
She was out to kill Kluh.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Just wanted to ask. You said Kluh was a bit of a bad character earlier on, is your opinion still the same now?The concept may be silly but the character itself may turn out to be not bad.