NJO Luke Skywalker vs Neo

Started by KingD193 pages
Originally posted by XanatosForever
This is stupid.

Call it what you want. This is the most powerful Jedi in existence.

Outside the Matrix itself, isn't Neo pretty ordinary? And inside the Matrix he is completely unstoppable. So, is the battleground in the Matrix or not? There's your answer to who wins.

Inside the Matrix, there's absolutely nothing Luke can do. Outside, there's nothing he can't do.

Neo is not omnipotent within the Matrix, he has limitations and vulnerabilities.

...first off, I am a huge fan of Neo, but I gotta give it to Luke. The force is strong with that one.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Neo still puts his fist through him.

Neo could clear that distance before "I should apparate" is even conceived as an option in Voldemort's brain.

Lol, no.

Originally posted by KingD19
Call it what you want. This is the most powerful Jedi in existence.
Actually, it is the most powerful mortal force user to ever live. Evar.

This obviously discounts the Ones and Abeloth (Plot devices. Why? Because f*ck you that's why(kidding))

Originally posted by Pwned
Actually, it is the most powerful mortal force user to ever live.
Mhm.

It takes roughly 550 milliseconds for the human brain to completely process a thought.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980428032910data_trunc_sys.shtml

Though, to be fair, apparating being something he is intimately familiar with, conceiving of doing so should be done faster.

Neo, on the other hand, has been clocked at mach 3+ in flight while in Reloaded. This allows him to move 513 meters in half a second.

So yeah, 15 feet? Lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It takes roughly 550 milliseconds for the human brain to completely process a thought.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980428032910data_trunc_sys.shtml

Though, to be fair, apparating being something he is intimately familiar with, conceiving of doing so should be done faster.

Neo, on the other hand, has been clocked at mach 3+ in flight while in Reloaded. This allows him to move 513 meters in half a second.

So yeah, 15 feet? Lol.

Cool story. Two things:

1. Voldemort will already be thinking about his destination.

2. Neo has to build up to that speed.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
[B]Cool story. Two things:

1. Voldemort will already be thinking about his destination.

So he has prep-thoughts? Oh wait, the OP didn't specify that he did, therefore, you're talking out of your ass.

He has to:

A. Think to apparate.

B. Think of where to apparate to.

2. Neo has to build up to that speed.

YouTube video

Nope.

Anyway, going to work, be back later.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Neo is not omnipotent within the Matrix, he has limitations and vulnerabilities.

I agree that he's not omnipotent, but there is no reason to think the Force is at all useful within the Matrix, because IF it is useful in there, Neo is a stronger Force-user WITHIN the matrix since he explicitly is The One.

That is to say, if the Force for some oddball reason exists in the Matrix programming, Neo is a stronger force-user with the given Matrix rules. If the Matrix doesn't allow Force users - and the movies never state that there are force users or Jedi in the Matrix - then Luke is just an ordinary guy.

Luke wins outside the Matrix, Neo wins within.

That some bull shit reasoning right there.

Originally posted by ares834
That some bull shit reasoning right there.

Re-watch the Matrix.

Originally posted by AmbientFire
Re-watch the Matrix.

That reasoning has no basis in this fight though.

As the fight takes place in an entirely separate universe from both franchises, and for the sake of the OP, Neo has all his powers, and Luke has all his.

The fight is not in the Matrix.

If people want to discuss Harry Potter/Voldemort, then please make a separate thread.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So he has prep-thoughts? Oh wait, the OP didn't specify that he did, therefore, you're talking out of your ass.

He has to:

A. Think to apparate.

B. Think of where to apparate to.

Lol, no. Voldemort cannot ACT until the fight starts, but he can THINK.

Think, apparate. Get it?

YouTube video

Nope.

Anyway, going to work, be back later.

Fail. Neo is already flying, building up to his max speed as he saves Trinity.

Neo cannot just take off and instantly go to Mach 3. Try again.

Originally posted by AmbientFire
I agree that he's not omnipotent, but there is no reason to think the Force is at all useful within the Matrix, because IF it is useful in there, Neo is a stronger Force-user WITHIN the matrix since he explicitly is The One.

That is to say, if the Force for some oddball reason exists in the Matrix programming, Neo is a stronger force-user with the given Matrix rules. If the Matrix doesn't allow Force users - and the movies never state that there are force users or Jedi in the Matrix - then Luke is just an ordinary guy.

Luke wins outside the Matrix, Neo wins within.

Actually, Neo needs to download skills in order to be proficient with them. I don't believe that stopped being a thing after he became the One.

Originally posted by Nephthys
MAGICAL SPELLS!

😆 😆 😆

Classic RJ. Good times.

Oh sweet memories.

Originally posted by Impediment
The fight is not in the Matrix.

If people want to discuss Harry Potter/Voldemort, then please make a separate thread.

In that case, ie they meet on a common battleground where they are both powered, I still have a hard time seeing Neo win this one. I mean, am I not remembering the Matrix properly, or weren't all of Neo's combat skills physical? That is to say, he can punch hard - but he has to punch. He can dodge fast, but he has to physically dodge. He can fly, but he still has to physically move through space, etc. I could be misremembering, but that seemed to be the focus of his powers. Like a Dragonball character without fireballs - I personally mean that in a good way btw.

But isn't Luke able to use precognition and force lift, push and other things like it? What's stopping Luke from precogging Neo's action (flight for instance) and suspending him in mid-air with the Force then just jamming a lightsaber into his left eyeball?

Or should, on an equal-representation-of-powers-battleground, Neo's ability to rewrite Matrix code to suit him be considered an ability to rewrite the Force? (aka should Neo also be considered able to use the force? If that were the case, does it mean Neo has the ability to rewrite portions of reality - such as the destruction of Agent Smith and ability to stop bullets in mid air - be part of his force skills?)

btw, just realised Neo does in fact perform non-physical feats in the films obviously.