John (Universal Soldier 4) vs. Wolf

Originally posted by Newjak
That makes him tough and yes strong, things I'm not arguing against but is he tougher and stronger and faster than an Alien?

That does matter cause Wolf beat multiple Aliens in H2H. So if John isn't more dangerous than an Alien than odds are he is going to lose to Wolf. In fact he would probably have to be more deadly than multiple Aliens to beat Wolf.

A>B>C logic doesn't always work. The Aliens MIGHT be physically superior to John but they're animals and they fight like animals. Especially in AvPR. That scene where Wolf has two by the throat? They didn't even try to claw his arms or impale him with their tails. The Aliens were weaksause in that pos movie. Aside from that I can't even remember him fighting any other Aliens without his weapons except for the PredAlien.

OTOH, John is a skilled martial artist with superhuman stats. Predators have gone down to less.

Originally posted by Psychotron
A>B>C logic doesn't always work. The Aliens MIGHT be physically superior to John but they're animals and they fight like animals. Especially in AvPR. That scene where Wolf has two by the throat? They didn't even try to claw his arms or impale him with their tails. The Aliens were weaksause in that pos movie. Aside from that I can't even remember him fighting any other Aliens without his weapons except for the PredAlien.

OTOH, John is a skilled martial artist with superhuman stats. Predators have gone down to less.

They also have some advantages John wouldn't have. Such as the ability to run on walls attack with multiple natural razor sharp weapons, claws and tails.

It's been a while since I watched AvP Requiem, but I don't recall Wolf ever fighting MULTIPLE aliens in h2h. He has always had his weapons with him. The only time he fought in pure h2h was the predalien.

Originally posted by Newjak
Aliens are vicious creatures, that have also shown the ability to think their way through solutions at some points.

They also have some advantages John wouldn't have. Such as the ability to run on walls attack with multiple natural razor sharp weapons, claws and tails.

They were fodder in AvPR.

For example the Aliens in Aliens were bullet resistant but in AvPR teenagers with modern-day fire arms were killing them.

Like I said A>B>C logic is faulty.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's been a while since I watched AvP Requiem, but I don't recall Wolf ever fighting MULTIPLE aliens in h2h. He has always had his weapons with him. The only time he fought in pure h2h was the predalien.

He takes on two at one time with his hands.

I will say that I agree the Xenos in AVPR weren't as good as in the other films. Wolf is still a total boss though.

Originally posted by Placidity
He takes on two at one time with his hands.

But then the PredAlien shows up and smacks him with it's tail (instead of just impaling him for some reason) and that's pretty much it.

Originally posted by Psychotron
For example the Aliens in Aliens were bullet resistant

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's been a while since I watched AvP Requiem, but I don't recall Wolf ever fighting MULTIPLE aliens in h2h. He has always had his weapons with him. The only time he fought in pure h2h was the predalien.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He held up and restrained 2 by their throats with relative ease during the sewer fight.

That's not exactly "beating" them in h2h. It was an impressive feat no doubt, but it didn't show impressive h2h skill. Just impressive strength. And he still eventually used his tech there.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's not exactly "beating" them in h2h. It was an impressive feat no doubt, but it didn't show impressive h2h skill. Just impressive strength. And he still eventually used his tech there.

He graped a tail from one Alien smashing it into the water, before grapping another Alien in mid air and sending it flying into a wall, and then got tackled by two Aliens and got up a second later with both restrained by the throat.

Originally posted by Utrigita
He graped a tail from one Alien smashing it into the water, before grapping another Alien in mid air and sending it flying into a wall, and then got tackled by two Aliens and got up a second later with both restrained by the throat.

If that's Wolf's only H2H feat than John slaughters him.

Originally posted by Psychotron
John (Scott Adkins) from the new Universal Soldier movie faces off

Try Universal Soldier 6 not 4.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Try Universal Soldier 6 not 4.

Whatever. It was just shorter than Day of Reckoning.

Yeah admit it you thought there was only 4 movies.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Yeah admit it you thought there was only 4 movies.

I admit I haven't seen Brothers in Arms and Unfinished Business (which are non-canon along with The return now) so in my mind I mistakenly counted them as four movies instead of six.

Originally posted by Psychotron
If that's Wolf's only H2H feat than John slaughters him.

Your only real defense is that since Humans have beaten Preds before a superhuman will slaughter them despite the fact a Pred was killing to super strong, fast creatures.

Originally posted by Newjak
No considering you've yet to actually showcase how John is better than one Alien much less a group of them which Wolf fended off.

Your only real defense is that since Humans have beaten Preds before a superhuman will slaughter them despite the fact a Pred was killing to super strong, fast creatures.

Come on, man. How many times do I have to explain to you that Wolf was armed to teeth with high-tech weapons? He doesn't have them here. It's not like he was walking around killing Aliens with his bare hands. Stop using this A>B>C nonsense.

John is faster and more agile than Wolf and strong enough to hurt him. He is a skilled martial artist and he's got great damage soak as well.

You should watch the movie and then comment.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Come on, man. How many times do I have to explain to you that Wolf was armed to teeth with high-tech weapons? He doesn't have them here. It's not like he was walking around killing Aliens with his bare hands. Stop using this A>B>C nonsense.

John is faster and more agile than Wolf and strong enough to hurt him. He is a skilled martial artist and he's got great damage soak as well.

You should watch the movie and then comment.

ABC logic isn't always wrong if you use it in the correct context, you are claiming John's speed is going to overwhelm Wolf, how is it going to overwhelm him when creatures as fast attacking Wolf in multiples couldn't.

Yeah they aren't Martial Artists but it's a statement of speed not martial arts skills. Aliens are fast, lethal, quick killers, and a group of them could not overwhelm Wolf with their speed. So it's a good notion John's speed won't somehow overwhelm wolf either.

Originally posted by Newjak
Is John faster than an Alien(creatures Wolf was fast and skilled enough to take on in H2H)?

ABC logic isn't always wrong if you use it in the correct context, you are claiming John's speed is going to overwhelm Wolf, how is it going to overwhelm him when creatures as fast attacking Wolf in multiples couldn't.

Yeah they aren't Martial Artists but it's a statement of speed not martial arts skills. Aliens are fast, lethal, quick killers, and a group of them could not overwhelm Wolf with their speed. So it's a good notion John's speed won't somehow overwhelm wolf either.

I'd say his reflexes are superior to most Aliens on screen and especially the fodder from AvPR. BTW I'm going to ask you again and I hope I'm going to get an answer this time. When did Wolf take on multiple Aliens in AvPR? I can't remember a single instance except the already mentioned part with the two Aliens in the sewer and that was more of a strength feat than anything else.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I'd say his reflexes are superior to most Aliens on screen and especially the fodder from AvPR. BTW I'm going to ask you again and I hope I'm going to get an answer this time. When did Wolf take on multiple Aliens in AvPR? I can't remember a single instance except the already mentioned part with the two Aliens in the sewer and that was more of a strength feat than anything else.

What are his reflex feats, the only one you've mentioned is the bowling ball and I wouldn't say that puts him past an Alien.