Mangog vs Nimrod

Started by Darth Jello11 pages

The thing with Nimrod is he is a very Doomsdays-ish character. He can be beaten if he encounters a situation that he hasn't encountered before or that he can't anticipate such as Nightcrawler teleporting his arm off, Rogue absorbing several powers simultaneously, Sebastian Shaw crashing into him at terminal velocity, etc. Rogue and Nightcrawler tried the same ploy during the next encounter. Rogue got her uniform shredded and nearly suffocated Colossus and Nightcrawler was forcefully and traumatically bampfed across town so bad that his powers misfired while fighting the Marauders the next night and he was put in a coma by Riptide and Vertigo and left the X-Men.
The problem is he adapts and it's very hard if not impossible to beat him the same way twice. I say beat and not kill because Nimrod can be reduced to a scrap pile and he'll just teleport away and repair himself while devising some new strategy. The only way to kill him is to take him apart molecule by molecule, vaporize him or annihilate him. In the way he repairs himself, teleports, and is able to create counters to every power he's faced including magic points to the fact that he can convert matter to energy and vice versa and that he can generate exotic particles. Nimrod's other weakness is that he adapts to the point where he started becoming more an more human and grew a conscience up until he was taken over by Mastermold and turned into an unstoppable monster.
In terms of the Juggernaut battle, he obviously fought and killed Juggernaut, a supposedly unstoppable opponent in his reality. I've never seen a more pathetic Juggs performance than being caught of guard, thrown across a street, severely beaten, and then paralyzed/about to be killed by some kind of magic-countering sonic frequency.

I said all that to say this. Mangog will fight Nimrod and he will win but he won't kill Nimrod. Nimrod will go away for a week or two and come back. He may be reduced to powder 9 times, but on the tenth, he'll figure out a way to kill Mangog.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This thread is a prime example of why applying a no-limits fallacy to characters who "adapt" is horrible.

If/when Nimrod, on panel, adapts to a threat equal to or greater than Odin, I'd be happy to give him the win against Classic Mangog. Until then, it's a horrible leap of faith to assume that he could go to skyfather+ levels based on him hurting Juggernaut.

It's the same problem with people arguing for Doomsday and Fury and other adapt types.

Until then, Nimrod has literally done nothing to suggest he could adapt to that level outside of the fact that he adapts in the general sense. Beating the crap out of Odin and having Odin's powers being useless against him outside of extreme plot device is so far above what Nimrod has actually done it's quite boggling that this thread has gone on for four pages.

Well what level of adaptation would you say Nimrod achieved when he was killing Classic Juggernaut?

Keep in mind that WWH nor Thor ever had the level of success against Juggs that Nimrod displayed before you answer; overcoming Cyrorraks enchantment and killing Juggs was at the very minimum a Trans Tier feat...one could argue that no one beneath a Skyfather could match that feat.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well what level of adaptation would you say Nimrod achieved when he was [b]killing Classic Juggernaut?

Keep in mind that WWH nor Thor ever had the level success against Juggs that Nimrod displayed before you answer; overcoming Cyrorraks enchantment and killing Juggs was at the very minimum a Trans Tier feat...one could argue that no one beneath a Skyfather could match that feat. [/B]

a very impressive feat no doubt it still doesnt mean he can even scratch the surface of pure hate he'd have to kill EVERYTHING in the universe as long as hate and fury exist mangog exists he'd never do enough damage he'd get pulverized over and over until he ran out of energy WHICH DOES HAPPEN

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's the same problem with people arguing for Doomsday and Fury and other adapt types.

Can't speak for Doomsday, but as far as the Fury goes, except for a few low showings here and there, it pretty much "adapted" to a skyfather+ level threat. Imo, its adaption abilities are pretty much among the most ridiculous in comicdom .

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sebastin shaw took nimrod out when his weight was increased by Harry Leland and was falling from orbit. Mangog oneshots him.

And did that tactic completely destroy Nimrod and prevent him from reconstructing?

LoL...

Physical force will only delay Nimrod; there is no beating that Mangog could give him that he couldnt reconstruct from...

Whats Mangog going to do, keep punching and kicking Nimrods powder!?

No, Mangog will beat Nimrod down, and Nimrod will come right back with an adaptation against Mangog's brute force; at this point there will be nothing further Mangog could do against Nimrod...

Even if you want to argue that its beyond Nimrods ability to come up with a lethal solution for dealing with Mangog, there is simply nothing Mangog can do to keep Nimrod down...

Its a stalemate at the bare minimum...

Of course, based largely on his phenomenal showing against Classic Juggs, I dont think its a stalemate; I think Nimrod eventually finds a solution for dealing with Mangog...even if that solution is to BFR him away.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And did that tactic completely destroy Nimrod and prevent him from reconstructing?

LoL...

Physical force will only delay Nimrod; there is no beating that Mangog could give him that he couldnt reconstruct from...

Whats Mangog going to do, keep punching and kicking Nimrods powder!?

No, Mangog will beat Nimrod down, and Nimrod will come right back with an adaptation against Mangog's brute force; at this point there will be nothing further Mangog could do against Nimrod...

Even if you want to argue that its beyond Nimrods ability to come up with a lethal solution for dealing with Mangog, there is simply nothing Mangog can do to keep Nimrod down...

Its a stalemate at the bare minimum...

Of course, based largely on his phenomenal showing against Classic Juggs, I dont think its a stalemate; I think Nimrod eventually finds a solution for dealing with Mangog...even if that solution is to BFR him away.


Yes, it did. Reading comics helps.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well what level of adaptation would you say Nimrod achieved when he was [b]killing Classic Juggernaut?

Keep in mind that WWH nor Thor ever had the level of success against Juggs that Nimrod displayed before you answer; overcoming Cyrorraks enchantment and killing Juggs was at the very minimum a Trans Tier feat...one could argue that no one beneath a Skyfather could match that feat. [/B]


Captain universe straight up beat the shit out of him, no fancy shit needed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, it did. Reading comics helps.

Didnt Nimrod reconstruct and come into contact with Master Mold after that incident?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Captain universe straight up beat the shit out of him, no fancy shit needed.

Nimrod was killing Classic Juggs...

Killing>>>Getting a beat down...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Didnt Nimrod reconstruct and come into contact with Master Mold after that incident?

You mean some six months after the incident? That's loooong time to have a forum win.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Nimrod was killing Classic Juggs...

Killing>>>Getting a beat down...


Hyperbole.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean some six months after the incident? That's loooong time to have a forum win.

Dont shift goal posts now; you admit you were wrong...

You implied that the fall completely destroyed Nimrod and prevented him from reconstructing; you were wrong...

Besides, Nimrod simply didnt have another appearance until the arc with Master Mold; we really dont know how long it took him to reconstruct from that fall...

We do know that when looking at on panel beatings, he reconstructs immediately; there is no reason why that shouldnt apply here against Mangog...

killing juggs and killing mangog completely different feat much much different murder

Originally posted by Darth Jello
The thing with Nimrod is he is a very Doomsdays-ish character. He can be beaten if he encounters a situation that he hasn't encountered before or that he can't anticipate such as Nightcrawler teleporting his arm off, Rogue absorbing several powers simultaneously, Sebastian Shaw crashing into him at terminal velocity, etc. Rogue and Nightcrawler tried the same ploy during the next encounter. Rogue got her uniform shredded and nearly suffocated Colossus and Nightcrawler was forcefully and traumatically bampfed across town so bad that his powers misfired while fighting the Marauders the next night and he was put in a coma by Riptide and Vertigo and left the X-Men.
The problem is he adapts and it's very hard if not impossible to beat him the same way twice. I say beat and not kill because Nimrod can be reduced to a scrap pile and he'll just teleport away and repair himself while devising some new strategy. The only way to kill him is to take him apart molecule by molecule, vaporize him or annihilate him. In the way he repairs himself, teleports, and is able to create counters to every power he's faced including magic points to the fact that he can convert matter to energy and vice versa and that he can generate exotic particles. Nimrod's other weakness is that he adapts to the point where he started becoming more an more human and grew a conscience up until he was taken over by Mastermold and turned into an unstoppable monster.
In terms of the Juggernaut battle, he obviously fought and killed Juggernaut, a supposedly unstoppable opponent in his reality. I've never seen a more pathetic Juggs performance than being caught of guard, thrown across a street, severely beaten, and then paralyzed/about to be killed by some kind of magic-countering sonic frequency.

I said all that to say this. Mangog will fight Nimrod and he will win but he won't kill Nimrod. Nimrod will go away for a week or two and come back. He may be reduced to powder 9 times, but on the tenth, he'll figure out a way to kill Mangog.

He will lose a tenth time, do you know who Mangog is? Mangog at the height of his power thrashed all of Asgard, Nimrod was created to fight mutants not Gods or God destroyers. Nimrod adapts to Mutants not Gods and their abilities, Nimrod is not Fury, Fury is the Ferrari while Nimrod is a Dodge Charger, a big difference in performance and power.

Mangog feeds on hatred through out the universe and physical and energy attacks doesn't even phase him it makes him stronger, it took Classic Odin killing himself and using ancient magic to de-powered him which Nimrod has no knowledge of,if he did he couldn't replicate it. Mangog at the height of his power, was matter manipulator,teleportation, destructive energy projection,Godlike reflexes, Incalculable strength, Gifted Intelligence. Tell me when Nimrod can beat Classic Odin then we can talk about him trying to beat a being Mangog that was created by billions on billion of his people that are galaxy destroyers.

Mordern Mangog it took Thor with OF weapons to slow down Mangog, and Anti Force blast which is second too Thor most powerful ability next to the Godblast, which Thor shoved down his throat. Then later it took Rune Thor too kill him out right.

Mangog track record and his opponents are greater than Nimrod; Nimrod fights mutants as where Mangog fights Gods and defeats them. Nimrod has run out of power on numerous occasions, as Mangog especially Classic Mangog feeds on hatred of the universe, are u guys trying too say Nimrod can beat Odin, because that is needed to beat Classic Mangog,and Odin Force weapons for Thor to have a chance of beating Mordern Mangog

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hyperbole.

LoL...

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
killing juggs and killing mangog completely different feat much much different murder

Hell, Shatterstar has cut the Juggernaut before....I suppose that TheLordofMurder would use that as proof that Shatterstar would be able to cut Mangog.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Dont shift goal posts now; you admit you were wrong...

You implied that the fall completely destroyed Nimrod and prevented him from reconstructing; you were wrong...

Besides, Nimrod simply didnt have another appearance until the arc with Master Mold; we really dont know how long it took him to reconstruct from that fall...

We do know that when looking at [b]on panel beatings, he reconstructs immediately; there is no reason why that shouldnt apply here against Mangog... [/B]


Blah, blah, blah. No limit fallacy ftw. It took him six months to reconstruct.

Have a happy trolling, here you go on ignore.

Originally posted by the Darkone
He will lose a tenth time, do you know who Mangog is? Mangog at the height of his power thrashed all of Asgard, Nimrod was created to fight mutants not Gods or God destroyers. Nimrod adapts to Mutants not Gods and their abilities, Nimrod is not Fury, Fury is the Ferrari while Nimrod is a Dodge Charger, a big difference in performance and power.

Mangog feeds on hatred through out the universe and physical and energy attacks doesnet even phase him it makes him stronger, it took Classic Odin killing himself and using ancient magic to de-powered him which Nimrod has no knowledge of,if he did he couldn't replicate it. Mangog at the height of his power, was matter manipulator,teleportation, destructive energy projection,Godlike reflexes, Incalculable strength, Gifted Intelligence. Tell me when Nimrod can beat Classic Odin then we can talk about him trying to beat a being Mangog that was created by billions on billion of his people that are galaxy destroyers.

Mordern Mangog it took Thor with OF weapons to slow down Mangog, and Anti Force blast which is second too Thor most powerful ability next to the Godblast, which Thor shoved down his throat. Then later it took Rune Thor too kill him out right.

Mangog track record and his opponents are greater than Nimrod; Nimrod fights mutants as where Mangog fights Gods and defeats them.

Different opponents, different powersets, different matchup...

Nimrod can reconstruct from being beaten into powder and form an adaptation against a 2nd beating; those Gods that Mangog has fought dont have that ability...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Blah, blah, blah. No limit fallacy ftw. It took him six months to reconstruct.

Have a happy trolling, here you go on ignore.

Ignore me because I have out argued you...LoL!!!

You have no proof that it took him 6 months to reconstruct; that is pure speculation on your part with nothing of substance to back it up...

Just like you have no proof that Nimrod can actually beat Mangog.