The Elite vs. Alpha Flight

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The Elite vs. Alpha Flight

Manchester Black
Hat
Menagerie
Coldcast

Vs

Guardian
Sasquatch
Shaman
Snowbird

Teams fight in character

No bfr

Who wins?

Alpha Flight in a murder stomp.

No.

Originally posted by dmills
Alpha Flight in a murder stomp.

I don't think it'd be a stomp... it may actually be very close.

Manchester could definitely pull off a mind-whammy to mess up the team, and Hat vs Shaman basically comes down who can pull out the biggest magical mojo out of their respective accessories...

Snowbird is the wildcard here however. The fight really comes down to which form she takes right off the bat...

Whatever form she takes, Coldcast stops her in her tracks like he did Superman.

I doubt Coldcast could stop her higher up forms. It's very likely Guardian and Vindciator have greator control over the EM-spectrum them him.

Regardless Shaman could just say "shush" or turn their organs into crystals with one wave of his hand. The real only threat is Manchester, but majority of the team have TP defense or have telepathy themselves. Shaman for instance has communicated across planets with his telepathy. If he could get past their defenses then they could potentially win, but as mentioned they have TP defenses themselves.

How powerful a mage is Hat?

Originally posted by nwg202
How powerful a mage is Hat?

He has human limitations (has to breathe etc), but otherwise...he can apparently pull anything he wants out of the hat.

Basically a copy of Shaman without the high end feats (Shaman has)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He has human limitations (has to breathe etc), but otherwise...he can apparently pull anything he wants out of the hat.

Can he teleport? can he put up shields? Interesting, I wonder if he is an ultra powerful glass canon.

Originally posted by nwg202
Can he teleport? can he put up shields? Interesting, I wonder if he is an ultra powerful glass canon.

Yah, he has rune shields, I *think* he can teleport, but then they may have just been using their version of the Authority's doors to move around....but I'm pretty sure he can.

Teleport yes, but shields? I don't think so, but would have to double check

Edit: or were they teleporting due to tech?

Originally posted by nwg202
Can he teleport? can he put up shields? Interesting, I wonder if he is an ultra powerful glass canon.

His shield prevent any physical harm to him.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Teleport yes, but shields? I don't think so, but would have to double check

Edit: or were they teleporting due to tech?

Def has shields, which seemed strong enough to keep Superman out. And yes, I think they used tech, abhi might know though.

Originally posted by -K-M-
I doubt Coldcast could stop her higher up forms. It's very likely Guardian and Vindciator have greator control over the EM-spectrum them him.

Regardless Shaman could just say "shush" or turn their organs into crystals with one wave of his hand. The real only threat is Manchester, but majority of the team have TP defense or have telepathy themselves. Shaman for instance has communicated across planets with his telepathy. If he could get past their defenses then they could potentially win, but as mentioned they have TP defenses themselves.


I doubt TP-blockers would stop manchester from blowing their brains out or giving them a stroke. Also coldcast has stopped superman via electrons manipulation, I doubt snowbird would fare any better.

Would TP blockers also work against Menagerie's brain control bugs?

Besides, Ches managed to mind wipe Doomsday. That's pretty hardcore.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Would TP blockers also work against Menagerie's brain control bugs?

Besides, Ches managed to mind wipe Doomsday. That's pretty hardcore.


Not just mindwipe, he altered his entire programming. 'Chester is one of the most powerful telepaths out there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I doubt TP-blockers would stop manchester from blowing their brains out or giving them a stroke. Also coldcast has stopped superman via electrons manipulation, I doubt snowbird would fare any better.

I would, plus they have magical defenses and high power telepathy themselves. and? Guardian and Vindicator were used to power Galactus' technology

So he could take control over a magical being or a skyfather form? Also a high level shapeshifter that can constantly alter her form changing her strcture

K-M, you're the (obvious) expert here on AF - what's their internal durability like? Blood capillaries, that sorta thing?

Snowbird and Sasquatch have a healing factor. Walter has shown to heal his internal organs in seconds when Vision was phasing in him and attacking him. Snowbird can heal instantly with her "healing glow"

Vindicator is human durability with a high powered E-M shield, which an E-M sword that matched Wolverine's claws shattered against her

Guardian is human currently (I believe) with a better shield then Heather (he and Guardian III contained a nuke explosion). He was a cyborg that was built to take out Galactus, but I THINK he is back to being full human since his rebirth. Also can shut people's brains down

Shaman has human durability, but has high powered shields and lots of healing spells.