Originally posted by -Pr-
No it's not... Not at all. -Sigh-
It really is though. The Celestial tech helped Hulk control his power in the sense that he was able to amp himself at a faster and controllable pace (which is basically controlling his power and HIS power is to physically amp himself.). Cyclops visor helps him control his power in a better sense. Black Bolt antenna helps him control his power as well.
Originally posted by carver9
It really is though. The Celestial tech helped Hulk control his power in the sense that he was able to amp himself at a faster and controllable pace (which is basically controlling his power and HIS power is to physically amp himself.). Cyclops visor helps him control his power in a better sense. Black Bolt antenna helps him control his power as well.
Cyclops doesn't amp his power with the visor, or control his energies. He controls the release. Not the buildup. He always, ALWAYS, has an OML blast waiting behind the visor.
Hulk amping isn't the same thing. what is the same thing, is Superman amping by will alone. So it still counts as an amp.
Cyclops doesn't amp himself when he takes off his visor.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@blue: I also disagree with your assessment that Asgardian magic is inferior to Cyttorak's power, because Thor's godblast went even beyond what Apoc's Celestial tech could achieve as it actually pushed back the Juggernaut as opposed to Hulk merely stopping him.
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weakened godblast no less
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Hey, one semi-serious question:Were War Hulk's enhancements by Apocalypse magical or merely technological in nature?
Celestial Tech.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm asking because the man who posted it before was right ...the Cytorrak enhancement of Colossus DID, indeed, beat the Serpent's Asgardian Magic. Hence Colossusnaut managed to put Kuurth to heel.
Not quite the same magic.I would say the magic that the Worthies wielded can be categorized as Dark Asgardian Magic.Those Worthies got their arse handed by the Avengers wielding weapons blessed by Odin.So Odin's enchantment>Serpent's enchantment.Another reason to categorized the magic wielded by Odin and the Serpent and his Worthies are different from each other, is because even Surtur can tell the difference between Asgard and Dark/Fake Asgard.Here are scans of what happened when Loki freed Surtur during the events of Fear Itself.
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/FAsgard/JIM629-015.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/FAsgard/JIM629-016.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/FAsgard/JIM629-017.jpg
So you can definitely see there is a difference between the magic wielded by the Serpent and his Worthies and Odin.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
So Cytorrak magic seems to be greater than Asgardian magic
I think this would be a better assessment.Odin>Cytorrak(Because Thor once negated Juggernaut's enchantment)>Serpent(because Kuurth got his arse handed by Colossunaut)
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
But War Hulk BEAT Cytorrak's magic force.
Because he stopped Juggernaut himself when Juggernaut was POWERED by Cytorrak magic.
Agreed.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
And if War Hulk's enhancements were not mystical, that means his pure physical force is enough to beat the magic that TRUMPS Nul's own.In which case you can make a real good case for:
War Hulk > Cytorrak/Juggernaut/Colossusnaut > Kuurth/Nul
Celestials are categorized as being cosmical.And the enhancement War Hulk has is because of Celestial Tech.We all know Celestials>>>>>Skyfathers in power.And yes War Hulk beats Nul Hulk
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
@blue: I also disagree with your assessment that Asgardian magic is inferior to Cyttorak's power, because Thor's godblast went even beyond what Apoc's Celestial tech could achieve as it actually pushed back the Juggernaut as opposed to Hulk merely stopping him.
Hulk didn't try to push him back.
To negate something doesn't mean one is greater than it. Something must overpower something to prove superiority. Thor's feat against the force field doesn't prove superiority over Cyttorak. Jugs can be slowed with conventional force and thus his invurlnerable enchantment dwarfs his unstoppability enchantment. That means with enough time Juggs can be slowed to a speed where it seems he isn't moving (like in War Hulk). All it takes is strength greater than Juggs natural strenght. It took Hulk a long time to achieve this and thus is not a good feat IMO. nul crushing the hammer is far better IMO. I say Nul wins this as it takes War Hulk too long to amp up. Nul will simply crush him as he did the hammer
