Originally posted by abhilegend
No. He was up and trying to chase them after they were gone. Later surfer was attacked by an alien armada on the same area.He wasn't right behind skuttlebutt, not even close. Surfer was still in that area when that armada forced him to retreat.
Its a ko. What an astounding argument. Welcome to h1a8's world. That however wouldn't work in real world.
Yes Surfer was right behind Skuttlebutt, in fact he was right behind him after he released the mines.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpg
Look at the 3rd panel. You see Surfer dodging the exploding mines, literally right behind Skuttlebutt. This panel was before they reached the planet.
In case you miss the obvious in the above scan, here's a closeup.
^ You're telling me that this scan doesn't show Surfer right behind Skuttlebutt?
Weighing in on the Surfer KOed by Skuttlebutts weapons discussion, count me in for those who believe he was not so, pretty clearly proven by the following panels. Knocked off his board, sure, hurt some, Im sure, but KOed, not even close (unless it was for a millisecond, which doesnt count as close to a KO in my book).
Originally posted by DTM
Weighing in on the Surfer KOed by Skuttlebutts weapons discussion, count me in for those who believe he was not so, pretty clearly proven by the following panels. Knocked off his board, sure, hurt some, Im sure, but KOed, not even close (unless it was for a millisecond, which doesnt count as close to a KO in my book).
I agree...that's ABHI lowballing Surfer like he tends to do. Anybody with 20/20 vision can tell Surfer wasn't koed in those scans.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Yes Surfer was right behind Skuttlebutt, in fact he was right behind him after he released the mines.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpgI was mistaken when I said bill and skuttlebutt were gone when surfer hit the mines. Still it was a ko, flash or otherwise.Look at the 3rd panel. You see Surfer dodging the exploding mines, literally right behind Skuttlebutt. This panel was before they reached the planet.
In case you miss the obvious in the above scan, here's a closeup.
^ You're telling me that this scan doesn't show Surfer right behind Skuttlebutt?
Originally posted by abhilegend
I never said he wasn't.
Originally posted by abhilegendHe wasn't right behind skuttlebutt, not even close. Surfer was still in that area when that armada forced him to retreat.
^ Sound familiar? The scan I showed disproved your claim.
He didn't reached the planet alongside bill though. In fact the mines slowed him down considerably. That's why I called it a flash ko, surfer was visibly koed but up soon and trying to chase bill.
When looking at the evidence, and what happened on panel, it doesn't look like a KO at all. He was stunned at best, but not KO'd. Like I said, Surfer got back up quickly and was right behind Skuttlebutt (as shown on panel). Yeah the mines slowed him down, yet the panel I showed depicts Surfer being right behind Skuttlebutt despite the mines.
I was mistaken when I said bill and skuttlebutt were gone when surfer hit the mines. Still it was a ko, flash or otherwise.
Originally posted by vince_sliceI accepted he was up and trying to chase them. He didn't arrive at the planet with them though.
Yeah you did:^ Sound familiar? The scan I showed disproved your claim.
When looking at the evidence, and what happened on panel, it doesn't look like a KO at all. He was stunned at best, but not KO'd.Being stunned doesn't make one fall like that.
Like I said, Surfer got back up quickly and was right behind Skuttlebutt (as shown on panel).Ok.
Yeah the mines slowed him down, yet the panel I showed depicts Surfer being right behind Skuttlebutt despite the mines.Yet even after minutes passed he wasn't anywhere close to skuttlebutt like you claimed when they reached the planet.
I don't think its a KO at all.Keep believing that.
KO's are suppose to last decently long.Not a flash ko like superman punching WW from sun to earth.
You have no evidence to suggest Surfer was KO'd for a decent amount of time to constitute a KO.I never said he was properly koed.
All the evidence points to the opposite.That's not my point from beginning.
First of all Surfer was flashed koed, not debateable.
Second, who cares? Surfer has endured astronomically more than that without being koed. So that one showing doesn't even contribute 1% of the average of Surfer's durability.
A member controlled Surfer (or CIS off Surfer) would definitely beat that team.
But Surfer in character most likely wouldn't beat that team, at least for a majority.
Zoom or Flash fighting at their best could definitely beat the team. IMO Zoom is trans. Flash is bordering on trans, if he's not trans already. Superman is very high herald and so is Surfer, yet Zoom could beat either of them.
We need well defined definitions of the tiers (especially the trans tier). My definition for the minimum of a trans is someone who can beat over 99% of all high herald level characters in a 1 on 1 situation the majority of the time OR at least split even with most combinations of 2 high herald level characters when fighting 2 on 1 the majority of the time.
Originally posted by carver9
So, since Vince proved my statement as being legit...Surfer hasn't been koed since his rebirth. Thanks for the scans Vince.
I love the notion of a Flash KO. What is that, when youred stunned by a hit while in the midst of blinking, therefore youre flash KOed for the millisecond it takes to open your eyes again? 🙂 Really, a KO is a Knock Out, being knocked unconscious for a half a second isnt a knock out, its a stun, at best (and in those scans, its not even shown that Surfer was KOed for even a half-second anyway).
