Iron Fist & Spider-Man vs. She Hulk

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thor is soft like a... y'know. Titania is d-list.

Nice high PIS showings. But his REGULAR showings include him hurting his hands on the likes of the Lizard, Tombstone, Sandman and Hammerhead. And of course the Hulk.

Sure, sure. Like when he "saved" Mockingbird, huh? What a hero.

You listed low showings. Spider-man on average will get bored before he hurts his hands on Shulkie. He's punched Hulk many times and only hurt his hands like once out of 100 times. That's not average.

Wasn't responsible for Mockingbird's incompetence. But guess who was responsible for Jubilee turning into a vampire? Then he thought itd be a great idea to let her run loose in the city among innocent people. Logan treats his sidekicks worse than Batman. That is when he's not too busy trying to wipe out all mutants by killing their messiah.👆

Originally posted by SamZED
You listed low showings. Spider-man on average will get bored before he hurts his hands on Shulkie. He's punched Hulk many times and only hurt his hands like once out of 100 times. That's not average.

How are those low showings

1) Spider-man's own villains.
2) Spider-man's own title.
3) Most of them happened more than once.

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Against the Savage Hulk, it occurred in GG's first appearance and in the Straczynski's run (modern). In the latter he yelled in pain after throwing a single punch (if he were smart he would stop after that) and eventually ended up with bloody hands after a barrage of punches.

Originally posted by SamZED
Wasn't responsible for Mockingbird's incompetence. But guess who was responsible for Jubilee turning into a vampire? Then he thought itd be a great idea to let her run loose in the city among innocent people. Logan treats his sidekicks worse than Batman. That is when he's not too busy trying to wipe out all mutants by killing their messiah.👆

If he can't keep his mouth shut in the damn fight, then yeah, he is responsible for his teammates getting distracted. Wasn't the only time.

How was Wolverine responsible for what happened to Jubs? Is he supposed to be surgically attached to his ex-sidekicks and protect them 24/7? 😕

The worst thing Batman regularly does to his many robins happens off-panel... just saying.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How are those low showings

1) Spider-man's own villains.
2) Spider-man's own title.
3) Most of them happened more than once.

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Against the Savage Hulk, it occurred in GG's first appearance and in the Straczynski's run (modern). In the latter he yelled in pain after throwing a single punch (if he were smart he would stop after that) and eventually ended up with bloody hands after a barrage of punches.

If he can't keep his mouth shut in the damn fight, then yeah, he is responsible for his teammates getting distracted. Wasn't the only time.

How was Wolverine responsible for what happened to Jubs? Is he supposed to be surgically attached to his ex-sidekicks and protect them 24/7? 😕

The worst thing Batman regularly does to his many robins happens off-panel... just saying.

He ALLOWED her to wonder around the city as a vampire, if that doesnt scream "irresponsible" him not letting Blade kill her def shows his hypocracy, if it was someone else on her place she wouldve been dead. Spider-man as an avenger saved his team/city/world multiple times already. Logan almost caused a mutant apocalypse.

Originally posted by SamZED
And that makes it two times out of how many? 30? 50? You're lowballing again. He's blitzed Rulk, punched Surfer many times, Hulk few dozen times, even Wolverine's adamantium skull (the younger less experienced Pete) and it didnt leave a scratch on him. He punches class 100 all the time and is perfectly fine, THAT is the average. High showing would be him knocking class 100 out with those punches. He can punch Shulkie all day it wont hurt his hands. Too skilled for that.

That's what should happen every time he lays a hand on the Hulk, tbh. As for how many times, if we specify the Hulk version and sum up their fights it won't be that bad.

Even Thor bled after hitting Surfer. And stronger guys hurt themselves punching Wolverine.

Problem is, he's not strong/durable enough to be doing that. Is that his only fight with Jen? Because if it is, it doesn't bode well for him here.

Originally posted by SamZED
She didnt get distracted by him at all, not for a second. She just kept on fighting and got shot. All heroes do banter during fights, Logan not an exception. Her problem if she didnt see the guy with a gun. How is that different from when all other heroes talk to each other while fighting at the same time? Heck Pete wasnt even talking to her, just talking outloud.

But she did, she turned her head/eyes to him and said something in reply to Parker imitating the laser rifle sound.

Originally posted by SamZED
He ALLOWED her to wonder around the city as a vampire, if that doesnt scream "irresponsible" him not letting Blade kill her def shows his hypocracy, if it was someone else on her place she wouldve been dead. Spider-man as an avenger saved his team/city/world multiple times already. Logan almost caused a mutant apocalypse.

Didn't she have Logan's hf blood running in her at the time?

Spider-Man allowed Morbius the Living Vampire to run a cannibal cult in the sewers 😬

Haven't read AvX, so I can't comment, but even if he had done that (not intentionally of course), then how would it be such a bad thing? About a 100-150 beings eradicated, true, but let's look on the bright side. No more Magneto, Gorgon, En Sabah Nur, etc.

Originally posted by carver9
She was amped during the Champion incident but you are correct...she does go fist cuffs with high tier beings.

During the Lady Liberators VS Rulk arc, she also managed to work up a rage big enough that her strength increased to the point that she could force Rulk to retreat from the fight(with Thundra as a captive/hostage).

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's what should happen every time he lays a hand on the Hulk, tbh. As for how many times, if we specify the Hulk version and sum up their fights it won't be that bad.

Even Thor bled after hitting Surfer. And stronger guys hurt themselves punching Wolverine.

Problem is, he's not strong/durable enough to be doing that. Is that his only fight with Jen? Because if it is, it doesn't bode well for him here.

But she did, she turned her head/eyes to him and said something in reply to Parker imitating the laser rifle sound.

Didn't she have Logan's hf blood running in her at the time?

Spider-Man allowed Morbius the Living Vampire to run a cannibal cult in the sewers 😬

Haven't read AvX

but even if he had done that (not intentionally of course), then how would it be such a bad thing? About a 100-150 beings eradicated, true, but let's look on the bright side. No more Magneto, Gorgon, En Sabah Nur, etc.

C'mon on guys Logan and Pete became friends, why can't your camps?

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
C'mon on guys Logan and Pete became friends, why can't your camps?

It won't happen. Stiltman has a real hatred for Spiderman and will never agree with an opinion stated in Parker's favour.

I love how Sam and Stilt derailed this thread from Shulkie vs Spider-Rand into "Who's the bigger douche between Logan and Parker".

All in good fun.😄

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
C'mon on guys Logan and Pete became friends, why can't your camps?

Originally posted by SamZED
Didnt Thor headbutt him? Why would it make sense for Pete to hurt his hands? Even applying RL logic, im not much of a fighter but I can punch a wall hard for minutes and not bleed. All depends on how accurately you throw the punch. That's me. Spider-man is a fighter with superhuman durability, years of experience and (now) MA skills, it would make absolutely no sense for him to break his hands on Shulkie's skin and bouncy..muscles. Not going by standart showings.

Yes, he did. Headbutt is much different from throwing a punch, not denying that, but we need to take into consideration Thor's high durability.

Not for minutes. Been there, done that, trust me 😂 Of course it depends on the wall kind and how hard you hit, at what angle, which spot, how dense your hand bones are, etc. Pretty easy to break the skin on knuckles to the point of bleeding, considerably harder to bust the bone underneath.

She-Hulk is a class 100 character with a nigh impervious skin deflecting bullets, sword strikes, energy beams, brick-lv punches and what not. Actually it's surprising that his punch made her groan even if it hurt him more than her. Of course she was less powerful then than she is now.

Originally posted by SamZED
actuallu no, easy to get fooled by the art but if you look closely she's not even looking in his direction. Still.. wasnt talking to her.

Are you sure? Need to re-read that scene. It was New Avengers, right?

Originally posted by SamZED
Morbius is no more of a threat than a teacup chihuahua.

But his followers were a threat to the city. Point is, if he imprisoned Morbius, there would be no victims... instead he chose to let him be.

Morbius: "Cool! I'm gonna become a leader of flesh-eating hobos! I'm sure my Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man won't mind!!!"

Originally posted by SamZED
probably for the best.

That's what I heard. Lost interest after a few issues/tie-ins. At least Wolverine finally beat a polar bear 😄

Originally posted by SamZED
ok, now youre scaring me...

Some mutant villains are planetary lv threats, other are even worse. Getting rid of them for good by sacrificing a near-dying species sounds like a decent enough deal.

Originally posted by SamZED
All in good fun.😄 Me and Stilt are also blood brothers when we're not discussing Spider-man/Logan related topics.😛

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Lies that's just a cover to keep Pr off your backs.

😂

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, he did. Headbutt is much different from throwing a punch, not denying that, but we need to take into consideration Thor's high durability.

Not for minutes. Been there, done that, trust me 😂 Of course it depends on the wall kind and how hard you hit, at what angle, which spot, how dense your hand bones are, etc. Pretty easy to break the skin on knuckles to the point of bleeding, considerably harder to bust the bone underneath.

She-Hulk is a class 100 character with a nigh impervious skin deflecting bullets, sword strikes, energy beams, brick-lv punches and what not. Actually it's surprising that his punch made her groan even if it hurt him more than her. Of course she was less powerful then than she is now.

Are you sure? Need to re-read that scene. It was New Avengers, right?

But his followers were a threat to the city. Point is, if he imprisoned Morbius, there would be no victims... instead he chose to let him be.

Morbius: "Cool! I'm gonna become a leader of flesh-eating hobos! I'm sure my Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man won't mind!!!"

That's what I heard. Lost interest after a few issues/tie-ins. At least Wolverine finally beat a polar bear 😄

Some mutant villains are planetary lv threats, other are even worse. Getting rid of them for good by sacrificing a near-dying species sounds like a decent enough deal.

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imo Spider and Iron Fist would beat her

Originally posted by h1a8
You just can't go by a few showings to make a case when there are more that contradict them. Spidey has many >class 50 feats, including some class 100 ones.

Good for him. That doesn't make him a class 50, though. Not when he's weaker on average.

Originally posted by golem370
imo Spider and Iron Fist would beat her

It is plausible. Parker could provide a distraction with his agility and webs and Danny could knock her out...

Danny fists Jen.

She likes it.

Parker takes photos.

I seen scans of Iron Fist knocking out Luke Cage whos skin is as hard as titanium. Spider-Man fast enough and smart enough to beat her plus he is a better fighter now as well.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Good for him. That doesn't make him a class 50, though. Not when he's weaker on average.

It is plausible. Parker could provide a distraction with his agility and webs and Danny could knock her out...

You can't average a yes and a no. Spidey has hurt more heralds than he failed to. Thus he can. Plus Spidey has webbed his fists to amplify his punches and also protect his fists. Plus Spidey now knows Kung fu which amplify his strikes without hurting himself. plus spideys kicks which is far more powerful than his punches.

A very serious Spidey can beat she hulk solo.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it does. Otherwise Thor, hulk are 100-500 tons strength on average since that's what they usually operate at most of the time.

You can't average a yes and a no. Spidey has hurt more heralds than he failed to. Thus he can. Plus Spidey has webbed his fists to amplify his punches and also protect his fists. Plus Spidey now knows Kung fu which amplify his strikes without hurting himself. plus spideys kicks which is far more powerful than his punches.

A very serious Spidey can beat she hulk solo.

A serious Jen can bfr Peter 10/10