really biased agaisnt the hulk? don't see how when you guys don't change your mind...if theres something about the hulk i could of said to help his case even further let me know...because im pretty sure i tried all i could...Darksaint please...BIASED agaisnt the Hulk after all i mentioned...your a poor sport...hiding secret information that could of been useful to me...
Originally posted by Villelater
well anyway superman training is silly...because he gets his power from the sun and reaches a maximum...and if he did get stronger you wouldn't be able to tell because his muscle size wouldn't increase...the sun should have already provided him with a maximum of muscle...anyway im just blabbering my personal thoughts...im one of the few people who knows when to in throw the towel...theres no more tricks up my sleeve...
Superman trained in the use of his powers, not their levels.
Their levels increase on their own depending on how much sun he's soaking up, which can be due to his emotions or his proximity to the sun.
Originally posted by Villelater
really biased agaisnt the hulk? don't see how when you guys don't change your mind...if theres something about the hulk i could of said to help his case even further let me know...because im pretty sure i tried all i could...Darksaint please...BIASED agaisnt the Hulk after all i mentioned...your a poor sport...hiding secret information that could of been useful to me...
Lol what I meant was, if the Flash wasn't fighting smart, the Hulk can just punch him to death. No need for tactics, or scans or info lol. Forum Flash is like a god, when you take off CIS, PIS and he is able to fight using his full repertoire of tricks. But without those three factors going for him,he gets beaten.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderWally I belive has run on soundwaves as if they were physical, if I recall correctly.
Wait a minute -- you're saying Flash has VERTICAL ability now?I'll let some of your other statements go, Dark.
THIS one you need to prove.
And of course, Bart learned to use the speedforce to fly once upon a time, but never uses it. Same with his ability to make duplicates of himself. And about a thousand other abilities that he never used after his Impulse days.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85basically. The Flash has a bunch of abilities and applications on Speedforce that don't get used because if you really think about it they are broken as all hell and the writers realize... well we can only pull these out for special occasions. I was hoping for a DC Reboot change on the Speedforce to make it viable. But considering its still a carryover from pre-reboot dc because it caused it and as far as I'm aware hasn't changed it continues to be a broken force in the universe for lazy writing to pull PIS powers from at will with regards to anything relating to kinetic energy. The implications of the combined abilities of the Speedsters (Flashes, Max Mercury Johnny Quick etc..) makes it a pretty broken force. I mean for crying out loud Wally has made braces for his legs out of pure speedforce energy once when they were broken... Physical braces. Also made a costume out of it. And later showed Barry how to in Rebirth IIRC.
Lol what I meant was, if the Flash wasn't fighting smart, the Hulk can just punch him to death. No need for tactics, or scans or info lol. Forum Flash is like a god, when you take off CIS, PIS and he is able to fight using his full repertoire of tricks. But without those three factors going for him,he gets beaten.
True, I forgot totally about the creation of stuff from Spped Force energy.
Btw, for those thinking Red She Hulk can drain Wally's KE:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/spedclosete.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/infinte.jpg
Infinite energy, plus he couldn't be drained.
Creating objects out of Speed Force energy - he's now the Green Lantern, folks!!
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speeforsuit3.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/demonspefor.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/aletscos.jpg
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
for those thinking Red She Hulk can drain Wally's KE:
They're still thinking that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Infinite energy, plus he couldn't be drained.
HULK has been described as being infinite, having no finite element, by no less than the Beyonder himself, cakewalker of the Secret Wars series.
But "infinite" Hulk was still drained by Red Hulk and reverted down to Bruce Banner. Twice.
Besides, that's Savitar.
There's nothing about him innately suited to absorbing massive amounts of energy. The Hulks, almost by definition, are the complete contrast of that.
I'm also given pause by what I'm reading online about the Speedforce, such as the entirety of it being used by Speed Ninjas during Christina's era. If that's true, it can't very well be infinite, can it?
Where did it go during Superboy Prime Infinite Crisis period, for that matter?
That would already be 2 instances of the entire thing being used up.
Here's another consideration:
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It is revealed that Professor Zoom altered the Speed Force and Barry to make the Flash shift in reverse, and cursed to kill every Speed Force user with a single touch, though it seemed to be undone by the defeat of Professor Zoom during the conflict between the two speedsters.[2] Thus far, Savitar, Lady Flash (Lady Savitar at the time) and Johnny Quick have been killed by this effect.
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... so this infinite field can itself be changed, warped by outside peoples tampering with it, used by others, exhausted, and made to work against the speedsters that normally use it.
That leaves Red She Hulk, already having done something on the order of Superboy Prime (physically punching out of another dimension, physics be d-----) with a surprisingly good chance to show us how "Loebforce" measures against "Speedforce".
Originally posted by VillelaterDarksaint is fair actually....yea he is slightly bias to The Hulk if you ask me but fair nontheless..
really biased agaisnt the hulk? don't see how when you guys don't change your mind...if theres something about the hulk i could of said to help his case even further let me know...because im pretty sure i tried all i could...Darksaint please...BIASED agaisnt the Hulk after all i mentioned...your a poor sport...hiding secret information that could of been useful to me...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
They're still thinking that.HULK has been described as being infinite, having no finite element, by no less than the Beyonder himself, cakewalker of the Secret Wars series.
But "infinite" Hulk was still drained by Red Hulk and reverted down to Bruce Banner. Twice.
Besides, that's Savitar.
There's nothing about him innately suited to absorbing massive amounts of energy. The Hulks, almost by definition, are the complete contrast of that.
I'm also given pause by what I'm reading online about the Speedforce, such as the entirety of it being used by Speed Ninjas during Christina's era. If that's true, it can't very well be infinite, can it?
Where did it go during Superboy Prime Infinite Crisis period, for that matter?That would already be 2 instances of the entire thing being used up.
Here's another consideration:
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It is revealed that Professor Zoom altered the Speed Force and Barry to make the Flash shift in reverse, and cursed to kill every Speed Force user with a single touch, though it seemed to be undone by the defeat of Professor Zoom during the conflict between the two speedsters.[2] Thus far, Savitar, Lady Flash (Lady Savitar at the time) and Johnny Quick have been killed by this effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------... so this infinite field can itself be changed, warped by outside peoples tampering with it, used by others, exhausted, and made to work against the speedsters that normally use it.
That leaves Red She Hulk, already having done something on the order of Superboy Prime (physically punching out of another dimension, physics be d-----) with a surprisingly good chance to show us how "Loebforce" measures against "Speedforce".
Except Hulk has been drained before. But others, when they try to drain Flash, are unable to - he is directly connected to it. Whereas Hulk HAS been drained before.
We also have no proof that red she Hulk can absorb other energies...she's definitelynever shown the dizzying heights her father reached, won't you say, bluewater? Its certainly not through lack of showings, she's been around for a fair bit now.
She Hulk has been shown to be inferior to Hulk. And its probably the same with the Reds. Unless you can show me how good she is at absorption? It brings to mind her showing against Prince of Orphans, when he surprised her and punched her away casually. I shudder to think what a truly fast punch would do to her!
Originally posted by bluewaterriderThis whole post shows an amazing lack of knowledge and is very far reaching.
They're still thinking that.HULK has been described as being infinite, having no finite element, by no less than the Beyonder himself, cakewalker of the Secret Wars series.
But "infinite" Hulk was still drained by Red Hulk and reverted down to Bruce Banner. Twice.
Besides, that's Savitar.
There's nothing about him innately suited to absorbing massive amounts of energy. The Hulks, almost by definition, are the complete contrast of that.
I'm also given pause by what I'm reading online about the Speedforce, such as the entirety of it being used by Speed Ninjas during Christina's era. If that's true, it can't very well be infinite, can it?
Where did it go during Superboy Prime Infinite Crisis period, for that matter?That would already be 2 instances of the entire thing being used up.
Here's another consideration:
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It is revealed that Professor Zoom altered the Speed Force and Barry to make the Flash shift in reverse, and cursed to kill every Speed Force user with a single touch, though it seemed to be undone by the defeat of Professor Zoom during the conflict between the two speedsters.[2] Thus far, Savitar, Lady Flash (Lady Savitar at the time) and Johnny Quick have been killed by this effect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------... so this infinite field can itself be changed, warped by outside peoples tampering with it, used by others, exhausted, and made to work against the speedsters that normally use it.
That leaves Red She Hulk, already having done something on the order of Superboy Prime (physically punching out of another dimension, physics be d-----) with a surprisingly good chance to show us how "Loebforce" measures against "Speedforce".
Hulk has been drained by many many different things.
Barry is the original source of what became the speedforce, it generated from him and then bounced across infinity, encompassing all times, all universes.
Thawne became more aware of the speedforce and it's capabilities... and created his own, a negative to the speedforce.
And he infected Barry with his negative energy when he freed him from the speedforce, and when he touched other [positive] speedforce users with that energy, it killed them.
He brought back Barry and tried to manipulate the speedforce at it's original source.
These things can't happen to Wally.
Implying that Red She Hulk could absorb, take, disturb, pervert anything involving the entirety of the speedforce directly through one of it's users, would imply she has no limit. Something you'd need to provide ample evidence of.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We also have no proof that red she Hulk can absorb other energies...she's definitelynever shown the dizzying heights her father reached, won't you say, bluewater? Its certainly not through lack of showings, she's been around for a fair bit now.She Hulk has been shown to be inferior to Hulk. And its probably the same with the Reds. Unless you can show me how good she is at absorption? It brings to mind her showing against Prince of Orphans, when he surprised her and punched her away casually. I shudder to think what a truly fast punch would do to her!
She hasn't shown us as much as her father but it's NOT through a lack of showings that you're dismissing her ... ? 😬
We'll have to get back to Betty, though. I'll need time to show the level of punchouts she's engaged in, and that's not likely to present me today.
Next concern: Skaar. A dome over the arena does nothing to prevent him from accessing the ground and his "Old Power", which apparently works on any planet he can contact the ground on.
What does Flash do if someone controls the ground he's trying to run on, such as, say, suddenly converting it to or quickly destroying it down to the liquid lava layers underneath, which he and most of Hulk team can survive but which typically presents ... issues ... to most other beings?
Originally posted by Juntai
This whole post shows an amazing lack of knowledge ...
I said a page or so ago that I had questions about the Flash that I wanted answered and this seemed the likeliest place to quickly get them. What about that amazes you? Do YOU only ask questions that you already know the answer to?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Next concern: Skaar. A dome over the arena does nothing to prevent him from accessing the ground and his "Old Power", which apparently works on any planet he can contact the ground on.What does Flash do if someone controls the ground he's trying to run on, such as, say, suddenly converting it to or quickly destroying it down to the liquid lava layers underneath, which he and most of Hulk team can survive but which typically presents ... issues ... to most other beings?
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Flash, pre reboot, Wally West, with CIS off.vs
WWH
She Hulk
Red She Hulk
Current Red Hulk
Skaar
Hulkling
She Hulk
Korg
Doc SamsonFight in closed indestructible arena the size of 10 football fields.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderUsually when they're made like that, its to keep the battlefield from being destroyed.
I need the original poster to put this jargon into English, man; I'm slow.Does that mean Skaar has access to his Old Power (his primary special ability) or not?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I need the original poster to put this jargon into English, man; I'm slow.Does that mean Skaar has access to his Old Power (his primary special ability) or not?
Seems pretty clear to me. Which word is tripping you up? "indestructible" means the arena can't be destroyed.
