World War Hulk vs Gladiator

Originally posted by NemeBro
To be fair, Marvel's writers are idiotic in their handling of superspeed, and h1's analysis would be entirely accurate if they could keep their setting's speed consistent.

That Thor can go from one end of the spectrum (being able to speedblitz a ****ing Skyfather, namely Surther) to the other (being blitzed by Wolverine) is idiotic.

There's also the issue of a character, though. Being fast doesn't automatically mean you dodge every punch, because not every character has the training, the awareness, or even the Flash like "I think in slow motion at all times" thing going for them.

I'm not saying that comics do a good job; a lot of the time they don't. I'm just saying that being fast doesn't always automatically make you a blitzing machine.

Originally posted by -Pr-
There's also the issue of a character, though. Being fast doesn't automatically mean you dodge every punch, because not every character has the training, the awareness, or even the Flash like "I think in slow motion at all times" thing going for them.

I'm not saying that comics do a good job; a lot of the time they don't. I'm just saying that being fast doesn't always automatically make you a blitzing machine.

I mean, DC has it too, but Marvel is noticeably worse in that regard. If you have super speed, that better be your only notable power, or else you fight like a sluggish brick when fighting someone who by all rights shouldn't be in your league speedwise (Gladiator and Thor for example have this issue, mostly Thor).

Originally posted by NemeBro
The amount of characters who legitimately move/run/fly/whatever faster than they can react isn't very large, IMHO. At least, when they are written to have the speed at all.

I mean, DC has it too, but Marvel is noticeably worse in that regard. If you have super speed, that better be your only notable power, or else you fight like a sluggish brick when fighting someone who by all rights shouldn't be in your league speedwise (Gladiator and Thor for example have this issue, mostly Thor).

Agreed.

How else can you cater to people like Wolverine...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

But again, it was a weapon inspired by Ultron's weapon. No guarantee that it could actually do the same job.

Gladiator was always a Mid Herald to me....when did he start becoming so all powerful?

Originally posted by TheHulk
Gladiator was always a Mid Herald to me....when did he start becoming so all powerful?

But Glads HAS been written as not only a high herald various times but probably the most powerful high herald. For example, Glads was the only herald going toe to toe with Tyrant as equals. He was matching him with blasts and everything. Tyrant only gained the upperhand when he threw another herald into Glads distracting him. This allow Tryant to pounce and cheapshot or sucker punch Glads. If that wouldn't have happen Glads would have gave Tyrant hell (Glads would have eventually lost though).

Another example is a more current feat. He visibly affected Cyke who in turn stopped all of Thor's might with just his pinky finger. This feat not only showed that Glads is currently a high herald but possibly one of the more powerful ones.

So since current characters are discussed we weigh current feats more heavily than past feats.

Originally posted by TheHulk
1.Fist Fight
2.Both use their abilities
3.WWH Can go WB Mode(if needed) while Gladiator confidence is at a high level and cannot be broken and uses his abilities at best.

1. Hulk
2. prolly glads
3. Glads gets the ever lovin shit beat outta him pronto.

Very Few Heralds , If any ,can beat the hulk in a pure fist fight

The speed argument would hold more water in the eyes of the doubtful if Glads had a demonstrative history of at least falling back on speed even if it's as a last resort. But his history indicates he'd try to tank attacks.

Having said that, op says in round 2 they'd use everything at their disposal. Fight starts 1500 ft away so what's to stop glads from using say, a precision heat vision strike right through Banner's pupils, (Yes he's used long distance precision heat vision before) and then grabbing him by his feet (Colossus style) and launching him out to the atmosphere in the blink of an eye?

Edit: As a matter of fact, considering "full capacity" provisions and especially considering the CIP addendums by Bada and PR, I actually feel pretty confident that Glads takes round 2 fairly comfortably. Given that Kallark knows exactly who the Hulk is and what he's capable of.

Originally posted by dmills
The speed argument would hold more water in the eyes of the doubtful if Glads had a demonstrative history of at least falling back on speed even if it's as a last resort. But his history indicates he'd try to tank attacks.

Having said that, op says in round 2 they'd use everything at their disposal. Fight starts 1500 ft away so what's to stop glads from using say, a precision heat vision strike right through Banner's pupils, (Yes he's used long distance precision heat vision before) and then grabbing him by his feet (Colossus style) and launching him out to the atmosphere in the blink of an eye?

No one is claiming Glads won't get hit. he would hit Hulk more times than Hulk hits him. Let's not kid ourselves and think the two will be fighting at the same speed.

He can also uppercut Hulk into space as well. No need to grab.

Originally posted by h1a8
He can also uppercut Hulk into space as well. No need to grab.

Maybe maybe not. Best to stick with what you can prove with the greater probability (at least conceptually). No need to get overwrought in your arguments.

Originally posted by TheHulk
1.Fist Fight
2.Both use their abilities
3.WWH Can go WB Mode(if needed) while Gladiator confidence is at a high level and cannot be broken and uses his abilities at best.

The Hulk wins all three fights. The fist fight will end with Gladiator being beaten to death. He can't dream of beating the Hulk under that scenario. The third fight lasts for less than one page.

Originally posted by h1a8

But Glads HAS been written as not only a high herald various times but probably the most powerful high herald. For example, Glads was the only herald going toe to toe with Tyrant as equals. He was matching him with blasts and everything. Tyrant only gained the upperhand when he threw another herald into Glads distracting him. This allow Tryant to pounce and cheapshot or sucker punch Glads. If that wouldn't have happen Glads would have gave Tyrant hell (Glads would have eventually lost though).
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Those are just flat-out LIES. First, Tyrant himself said that the Silver Surfer was the most powerful one out of that group. Second, Gladiator only briefy matched power output with Tyrant, who was toying with them. Gladiator was briefly downed by this attack and out of the fight for a bit, admitting that Tyrant was all he expected and then some.

The next time Gladiator attacked, it was alongside the Surfer and Beta Ray Bill. Bill attacked first, and Tyrant flattened him with one punch. He then threw Bill into Gladiator, blasted him once and knocked him out with a punch. Tyrant then exchanged fire with the Surfer, knocking him out. The Surfer was actually the last one to fall.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Very Few Heralds , If any ,can beat the hulk in a pure fist fight

The only one that has a shot is Superman with a sun-amp. The Surfer would have a shot if he is allowed to amp-up using an external power source like he did in IH#250. Their chances are slim though.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Those are just flat-out LIES. First, Tyrant himself said that the Silver Surfer was the most powerful one out of that group. Second, Gladiator only briefy matched power output with Tyrant, who was toying with them. Gladiator was briefly downed by this attack and out of the fight for a bit, admitting that Tyrant was all he expected and then some.

The next time Gladiator attacked, it was alongside the Surfer and Beta Ray Bill. Bill attacked first, and Tyrant flattened him with one punch. He then threw Bill into Gladiator, blasted him once and knocked him out with a punch. Tyrant then exchanged fire with the Surfer, knocking him out. The Surfer was actually the last one to fall.

Surfer was an insect to Tyrant. He couldn't even bother him at all. Not only do I NOT remember Tyrant saying Surfer is the most powerful of the bunch, it goes against what was shown. So show me Tyrant's BS statement.

Tyrant wasn't toying with Glads. No where in the story does it mention anything like that. Stop making stuff up.
Glads wasn't briefly downed at all. Where do you get that from?
Yes Tyrant hit BRB and threw him into Glads causing Glads to give up his guard. Tyrant then pounced and sucker punched Glads. Surfer didn't to anything special and was shown to be as weak as BRB. Glads was clearly shown to be superior to all of them. It was the sucker punch that did him in.

If Glads wasn't remotely at the level of Tyrant then he wouldn't have been shown to match Tyrant for any amount of time. No other high herald matched Tyrant for any amount of time. So assuming the lie that he was toying with them. Then still Glads was still shown more powerful as he was the only one who resembled an equal, even for a brief period.

hulk already defeated kallark

wwh stomps em with ease

Originally posted by Dampyre
The only one that has a shot is Superman with a sun-amp. The Surfer would have a shot if he is allowed to amp-up using an external power source like he did in IH#250. Their chances are slim though.

A watered down Sentry stalemated WWH in a fist fight.
Sentry at his inception (fighting Genis and Terrax) was astronomically more powerful.

Superman is stronger than WWH by feats. He's faster too. How come he won't beat WWH in a fist fight?

WBH is a different thing all together though.

Originally posted by Dampyre
The only one that has a shot is Superman with a sun-amp.

Originally posted by guy222
hulk already defeated kallark

wwh stomps em with ease

That was a single comic fight. This is a forum one which bases things off a character's history.
That fight wasn't indicative of what will happen in a forum fight.
What if Glads decided to uppercut Hulk into space?
What if Glads decided to use his nanosecond reflexes and fight Hulk at faster than light speeds?

Originally posted by guy222
hulk already defeated kallark

wwh stomps em with ease

That fight is exactly why Kallark would win #2. Given forum rules, he would have to be Rhino level stupid to stand there as the Hulk slowly powered through his sustained heat vison blast, get his eyes covered thus causing a backlash of his own beam and then get choke slammed into a nuclear reactor that just happens to contain the specific type of radiation that he (Glads) is vulnerable to.