New DBZ calc.

This is proof that Gotenks SS3 is faster than light

Speed of Light is 299,792,458 m/s

Circumference of earth in meters 40,075,017 m

Gotenks circled the earth 9 times in 7 seconds

Time to multiply the amount of times he flew around the earth with its circumference to figure out how much distance Gotenks traveled.

40,075,017 x 9 = 360,675,153 m

360,675,153 m in 7 seconds

So now divide by 7 to see how many meters per second he traveled

360,675,153 / 7 = 51,525,022 m/s

so Gotenks flew at 51,525,022 m/s

Now how close to lightspeed is that?

51,525,022 / 299,792,458 = 0.17… and many more decimals
but the easiest way to put it is to say he traveled 1/6 the speed of the of light

Now Gotenks was Super Saiyan 1 when he did this. It well known the SS2 is a 2x multiplier on SS1 and SS3 is a 4x multiplier making a SS3 8x stronger/faster than a SS1

To figure out how fast Gotenks SS3 speed is theoretically we multiply his SS1 speed by 8 (to account for the Super Saiyan multipliers)

51,525,022 x 8 = 412,200,176 m/s

412,200,176 / 299,792,458 (Speed of Light) = 1.37

1 1/3 times faster than the speed of light. This does not include how much faster Gotenks was after his training. It can be safely assumed that his is even faster than then my calculations. As such ever character stronger than him is faster than light (at least by using the anime)

You have no idea how the speed of light works.

If you accelerate 2 billion times more than that, you will not reach the speed of light due to something called 'relativity'.

That is to say, the speed of light is always the same relative distance from someone (i.e. while to *you* someone else may look like they're at 1/6th light, from their POV, they're at 0% light), and there's infinite room for acceleration without reaching it because the more you accelerate, the more time slows down. It's in direct proportion, your time will always slow down so that you don't get any closer to light speed.

Originally posted by Q99
If you accelerate 2 billion times more than that, you will not reach the speed of light due to something called 'relativity'.

Now if you meant to accelerate an object to attain two billion times the kinetic energy then, theoretically speaking, that's obviously possible. But it's not obvious from what you wrote that that's what you meant.

Furthermore, I think this urge to prove that fictional characters can travel past c comes from narutofan forums.

Originally posted by Astner
That's not quite how it works. You can't accelerate speed to two billion times the speed of light as acceleration is the change is speed over time, and to accelerate an object of mass past c (speed of light in vacuum) in a inertial system you'd need—according to the postulates of special relativity—more than infinite energy.

Now if you meant to accelerate an object to attain two billion times the kinetic energy then, theoretically speaking, that's obviously possible. But it's not obvious from what you wrote that that's what you meant.

It is what I'm talking about, but you're talking about how it looks from the outside observer. Relativity, remember, means things don't look the same from both points of view From the person's own POV, it looks a lot different.

Ok, so the op is discussing 360,675,153 m as the base speed. You accelerate that much, no biggie.

Then, you spend just as much energy, and from your point of view, you will accelerate just as much the second time.

Then, you do that again, and likewise, just as much.

Then again, and again, and again. Billions of times.

Every time, from your POV, you will get the same amount of acceleration, and from your own POV you will always gain the same amount of speed.

And from the outside point of view, you will be, without a doubt, under the speed of light, just gaining more decimal points, as you described.

And from your point of view, you'll be at 0% of the speed of light. And everything will have time that's going super fast compared to yours. From the outside, you'll be at 0.99whatever% of lightspeed and your personal time will go super slow.

And you will cross galaxies in a very short period of time, from your point of view, and then when you get back vast spans of time will have passed.

There is, if one is talking from one's own point of view, an infinite amount of available acceleration under the speed of light. It's just from the outside POV, all that above looks like slowing the traveler's time down a little and inching closer to C without reaching it.

Furthermore, I think this urge to prove that fictional characters can travel past c comes from narutofan forums.

Oh nah, it's ancient.

Originally posted by Q99
Ok, so the op is discussing 360,675,153 m as the base speed. You accelerate that much, no biggie.

The speed he estimated for Gotenks was 412,200,176 m/s, which is impossible for any body of matter.

You can accelerate 412,200,176 m/s^2 left and right as long as you're traveling below c in all inertial systems.

Originally posted by Q99
Then, you spend just as much energy, and from your point of view, you will accelerate just as much the second time.

Then, you do that again, and likewise, just as much.

Then again, and again, and again. Billions of times.

Originally posted by Q99
Every time, from your POV, you will get the same amount of acceleration,

Originally posted by Q99
And from the outside point of view, you will be, without a doubt, under the speed of light, just gaining more decimal points, as you described.

And from your point of view, you'll be at 0% of the speed of light. And everything will have time that's going super fast compared to yours. From the outside, you'll be at 0.99whatever% of lightspeed and your personal time will go super slow.

And you will cross galaxies in a very short period of time, from your point of view, and then when you get back vast spans of time will have passed.

There is, if one is talking from one's own point of view, an infinite amount of available acceleration under the speed of light. It's just from the outside POV, all that above looks like slowing the traveler's time down a little and inching closer to C without reaching it.

No. The norm of acceleration is asymptotical, not linear in regards to energy.

From the point of view of the observer, not the traveler.

Prove it was 7 seconds

This calc is terrible you should feel embarrassed to have posted it.

Originally posted by Q99
You have no idea how the speed of light works.

If you accelerate 2 billion times more than that, you will not reach the speed of light due to something called 'relativity'.

Originally posted by Q99
That is to say, the speed of light is always the same relative distance from someone (i.e. while to *you* someone else may look like they're at 1/6th light, from their POV, they're at 0% light), and there's infinite room for acceleration without reaching it because the more you accelerate, the more time slows down. It's in direct proportion; your time will always slow down so that you don't get any closer to light speed.

This is proof that Gotenks SS3 is faster than light

1. Non-canon. The anime cant be used unless for an anime version only thread, something that has happened and lead to erratic feats and inconsistencies.

Eg; using a timeframe for that scene opens up the door to time anything by the anime timeframe, including how long it takes characters to travel distances when (by your calc) everyone around or above Gotenks at that moment should be able to travel to any point on the planet in half a second.

2. The guide says the Saiyan forms makes them "Twice/Four times the strength of" the previous one. It barely confirms says if its physical strength or ki strength, let alone speed.

3. The scene itself, unless I'm mistaken, is inconsistent as we can see the Earth turning as he's looping it. The Earth rotates around 1/6 of its diameter in that scene (2,000,000 meters ish), and itd take about an hour for the Earth to really spin that much.

That or a day on the DB Earth only takes 3 minutes. (Or something like that, cbatiredblah)