Avengers vs Death Eaters

Originally posted by Nibedicus
When it hits a living being protected by just clothing it did its job.
We've never seen it go thru solid armor before.
It has been deflected by metal before (via the book). Thor's armor is made up of very durable metal (easily harder than the gold statue).
You state the rule that curses behave differently when objects are in contact with a living thing vs when it is NOT in contact with a living thing.
It has been shown that certain curses behaves just the same when not in contact with a living thing for as long as it can bresk thru it, disproving your argument above.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Clothing that is far less durable than the objects that have been shown to block spells.

What? Certainly the not killing curse. If you're talking about the stuff that George and Fred sold in the books it wasn't the clothing but the enchantments on the clothing that blocked spells.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
but AK never BROKE through anything. It didn't force it's way through the clothing, it passed through it.

The AK affected people behind clothing. That's it.

Things don't have to break clothing in order to affect what's behind it. See: hammer example.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
/facepalm

High tech prosthetic and exoskeleton is not mutually exclusive.

One is a function, the other is a structural design....

And also, there is a CLEAR seasration/gap between Stark's skin and the external armor. Watch the movies pls.

And there is no gap. That thing is pushed right up against his face. And it's powered by the arc, WHICH IS INSIDE OF HIM. IT'S INSIDE HIS SKIN. How does that not count as touching.

Originally posted by ares834
What? Certainly the not killing curse. If you're talking about the stuff that George and Fred sold in the books it wasn't the clothing but the enchantments on the clothing that blocked spells.

I'm talking about all the objects that stopped spells when they missed their target or were blocked.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The AK affected people behind clothing. That's it.

Things don't have to break clothing in order to affect what's behind it. See: hammer example.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
that part actually was a joke. I'm sorry.

And there is no gap. That thing is pushed right up against his face. And it's powered by the arc, WHICH IS INSIDE OF HIM. IT'S INSIDE HIS SKIN. How does that not count as touching.

Jokes like that can hurt ppl you know. I now have a hand shaped welt on my forehead. 😛

There is a gap in all the places, but I do accept the fact that it is directly connected to his arc reactor on his chest.

But the arc reactor itself seems to be separate enough from him to shield him quite well from Loki's magical mind control, didn't it? 😈

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Without effecting the clothing. If you hiy me with a hammer theres a mark maybe some stretching, definately an indent of where it hit. There was nothing when the spell hit.

You have no proof thay such an indent doesn't exist. If anything, them getting tossed back (save for the Sirius instance) is more proof leaning towards the hammer example.

Cause moth people stand up straight and sit down slowly when the die. Of course they're going to fall back. Not to be the downer here, but dying probably hurts.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Cause moth people stand up straight and sit down slowly when the die. Of course they're going to fall back. Not to be the downer here, but dying probably hurts.

Tossed back =/= falling dead.

Also, it has been mentioned that AK is painless (It's in the wiki, at least. I think it's mentioned in the book, too).

Running out of arguments, aren't we? 😛

The AK spell in movies was incosistent at best. Which could be due to the examples we see in the films. The way it behaves in this scene is the best example i think as it shows a wider angle on someone being hit by it.
YouTube video

From this we see the spell sort of envelop him. So i could see thors hammer maybe blocking it, but if it hits Iron man or Thors body, as he cant block every direction at once(same as Cap), i see them going down. Not to mention the myriad of other spells sure to be tossed their way.

It really comes down to the actual battlefield. Thread starter says they are hold up inside hogwarts. Lets assume there isnt a force field because then we cant have any kind of fight. If its in the hallways its a bottleneck for the death eaters in most cases which may or may not be a good thing. Somewhere like the great hall iron man has room to operate. Hulk can do whatever where ever as the walls arent gonna slow him down so much. With the, at least, 25 actual death eaters there and voldemort. I dont see The avengers winning. At lest not with out an epic fight.

Edit: checked original post. Voldy aint there. Makes it more a fight for the death eaters.

Originally posted by omgchos
The AK spell in movies was incosistent at best. Which could be due to the examples we see in the films. The way it behaves in this scene is the best example i think as it shows a wider angle on someone being hit by it.
YouTube video

From this we see the spell sort of envelop him. So i could see thors hammer maybe blocking it, but if it hits Iron man or Thors body, as he cant block every direction at once(same as Cap), i see them going down. Not to mention the myriad of other spells sure to be tossed their way.

It really comes down to the actual battlefield. Thread starter says they are hold up inside hogwarts. Lets assume there isnt a force field because then we cant have any kind of fight. If its in the hallways its a bottleneck for the death eaters in most cases which may or may not be a good thing. Somewhere like the great hall iron man has room to operate. Hulk can do whatever where ever as the walls arent gonna slow him down so much. With the, at least, 25 actual death eaters there and voldemort. I dont see The avengers winning. At lest not with out an epic fight.
Edit: checked original post. Voldy aint there. Makes it more a fight for the death eaters.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Got this from a HP poster named potterwatch in the potterforums:

The 1st killing curse he blocked using the golden statue.
"But the headless golden statue of the wizard in the fountain had sprung alive, leaping from its plinth to land with a crash on the floor between Harry and Voldemort. The spell merely glanced off its chest as the statue flung out its arms to protect Harry."

The 2nd one he dogded
"Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in a whirling of his cloak."
I wonder how he did this though. How he just vanished. Is this apparition or what?

The 3rd killing curse missed
"“By which time I shall be gone, and you will be dead!” spat Voldemort. He sent another killing curse at Dumbledore but missed, instead hitting the security guard’s desk, which burst into
flame."

The 4th he blocked again using more statues which he bewitched to spring to life beforehand.
"Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces"
We might notice that the statue shattered this time, maybe this is a more powerful killing curse or perhaps the statue is not made of gold like the first one.

The 5th he blocked again, this time using Fawkes
"Another jet of green light flew at Dumbledore from Voldemort’s wand
and the snake had struck. Fawkes swooped down in front of Dumbledore, opened his beak wide and swallowed the jet of green light whole: he burst into flame and fell to the floor, small, wrinkled and flightless."
We might notice that this time Voldemort didnt only shot a killing curse but also used a serpent as diversion. But still managed to block it brilliantly.

Got those excerpts from potterwatch from the potter forums. Even though it's from the book, it does show that: 1) AK can miss 2) AK can be dodged 3) AK bouncess off golden statues.

Which is why it's a good thing at least some of death eaters there one or two imobilizing spells. And it's always hard to fight when crucio makes you roll on the floor with pain.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm talking about all the objects that stopped spells when they missed their target or were blocked.

Ah, I thought you were claiming certain clothing blocked spells. My bad.

You know what's better than making someone roll on the floor in pain in a fight to the death?

Making them dead via: Smashes, lighting, slaps, slams, blast, lasers missiles, bullets and arrows.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Got those excerpts from potterwatch from the potter forums. Even though it's from the book, it does show that: 1) AK can miss 2) AK can be dodged 3) AK bouncess off golden statues.

I'm just saying it's harder to dodge a killing curse that way. Heaven forbid there be any gold statues around for thor to hide behind.

I feel that the Thor's (and more esepcially, Tony's) armor would be an issue with the spell due to how it has behaved in the book. There are no definites either way, but it can be argued strongly and eithet side would have a point.

Also, I feel like aiming and hitting the more agile and stealthy members would be a HUGE issue here especially if they use their speed/agility and stealth here. AK, like other curses, need to be uttered/incanted (at leat by the lesser noname Death Eaters, dunno about Voldy) as it takes a lot of magic to do as well as aimed. Flinging spells seem to be a lot harder to do than shooting an automatic weapon and Cap has been seen being ablr to dodge automatic fire easily. I mean, what are Death Eaters gonna do when someone surprises them and jumps in the middle of the fray too close for them to cast their spells without hitting each other? What happens to them if Hawkeye decides to snipe them with explosive arrows from a perch before they even realize they're under attack?

Go all creepy black smoke and fly around causing rubble to fall on them.

The agile characters may be able to avoid AK, but other speels such as Fiendfyre, Imperius, and the many AoE spells will make quick work of them.

Thor, Iron-man, and potentially Hulk are the only ones I see being a problem for the wizards.