Force Reserves (Kenobi vs. Dooku)

Kenobi could very much have had greater Force potential than Dooku, but still hadn't unlocked all of it by ROTS. He was, after all, several decades younger than Dooku, and was still getting better.

No, I don't buy it. Yoda said that Dooku was the strongest student he ever trained. Kenobi can't touch that bling.

Originally posted by DecayisAwesome
I would say Dooku had the greater output but by ROTS Kenobi had the greater reserves. Dooku could overwhelm him in the short term but his age had decreased his stamina so the longer they were fighting the more Kenobi would start to dominate. Dooku probably needs to use the force too keep up his physical mobility and strength, so any attacks he uses on top of this will drain him even faster.

Dooku in his prime would have outclassed Obi Wan in both though.

When did Yoda ever personally teach Obi-Wan?

When Obi-Wan explicitly says he did in ESB?

Tempest
Obi-Wan was nearly relegated to to the Agricultural Corps.

Originally posted by Eminence
As I recall, this is because as a prospect he clobbered one of his classmates in an exhibition for the Masters. Qui-Gon, specifically, disapproved of his aggression and passed.

[The Emperor]Are you sure?[/the Emperor]

Originally posted by Nephthys
When Obi-Wan explicitly says he did in ESB?

Neph loses again.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Which could very well (and probably is) be referring to the mass training Yoda gives to students, which we saw in in AotC, not personal master-padawan training.

Another flimsy continuity gaffe between the prequels and originals. You're right, but it seems pretty apparent to me that OT!Obi-Wan meant that he was Yoda's "padawan."

Turns out this was the case for Dooku as well.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Neph loses again.

Give him time. The child shall learn.

mmm.

Yoda: [Looking away from Luke] I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience.
Obi-Wan: [voice-over] He will learn patience.
Yoda: Much anger in him... like his father.
Obi-Wan: [voice] Was I any different when you taught me?

Continuity gaffe indeed. It's too bad Lucas never introduced this plot point in the prequels. The Paragon of Jedi Ideals Obi-Wan that we got is cool, but seeing a ****ed up Obi-Wan would have been interesting as well.

TPM could have had angry Obi-Wan at the start, and by its end he can be Paragon Obi-Wan in time to mentor Anakin.

One of Stoklassa's finer points is that the attributes associated with Obi-Wan by Obi-Wan in the original trilogy are mistakenly conferred to Qui-Gon for the prequels. Don't get me wrong, it introduced a semi-cool sequential chain: Yoda, Dooku, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Anakin.

But then the EU introduced Thame fvcking Cerulian and the rest is history.

Who?

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Which could very well (and probably is) be referring to the mass training Yoda gives to students, which we saw in in AotC, not personal master-padawan training.

Neph loses again.

Which would still make Obi-Wan Yodas student. And Yoda forcefully says that Dooku is his greatest student.

Dooku's Master was a dude named Thame Cerulian.

Nice to see the SW tradition of really good names is standing strong.

Whats wrong with that guy?

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
When did Yoda ever personally teach Obi-Wan?

The Jedi Apprentice Series

Obi-wan was a member of the Bear Clan, I believe.

A group of younglings, instructed by Master Yoda.

I thought everyone already knew this? surprised.Gif

Yoda was Obi-wan's instructor (as he was with many Younglings) before Obi-wan was eventually paired up with Qui Gon.

Why do I know these things, and no one else does? x3

Surprises me, sometimes..