Help me understand the power of Luke.. Caedus and Anakin..
what is it ever mentioned what Luke's or Caedus Midoclorite (sp?) was? I know anakin's was the most that the Jedi had ever seen but was it the most in the history of the star wars universe. I'm wondering what Luke's and Caedus were in comparison to Anakin's and Yoda's?
Anakin's 20k midi-chlorian count is the highest on record. Dialogue from TPM ("not even Master Yoda has a count that high!"😉 seems to confirm the consistent implication in the EU that, prior to Anakin, Yoda was the record holder. The official website outright says Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful Force-user ever, placing him above Abeloth, the Anchorites, and so on. A popular misconception is that Luke's midi-chlorian count is identical to his father's, but the fact that Luke was the product of a natural birth wherein his mother is as Forceless as it gets suggests otherwise. What is said instead by Lucas is that Luke had the potential to become what his father could have-- which, contextually, means Luke had the potential to surpass the Emperor.
Caedus believes throughout the Legacy of the Force that his powers will surpass Luke's in time, but he comes to reevaluate this decision later in the books.
Or in, quicktext: Anakin >> Luke > Sidious/>Yoda > everyone else. Where Caedus belongs is a mystery, but it was probably intended between Luke and Sidious.
Wasn't there something from Lucas about Anakin having twice the potential of Sidious, pre-cyborging?
Dunno how that translates into midiclorian count, but it does suggest the potential of later Skywalkers is still probably well above Sids, Luke could be 180% or some such.
There is a reason why Sith keep trying to snag Anakin Solo/Caedus/Cade/etc..
I'm not inclined to believe that it's likely other Skywalker generations force potential is well above Sidious. Sure, it is a possibility, but it's not a guarantee.
And sure, Luke could have 180% the potential but then he could also have 101% as well. It's impossible to tell.
Originally posted by KingD19
Cade Skywalker is potentially the most powerful "mortal" Force User to exist. Not because of his overall power, but he got to the point where he could raise the dead almost on a whim.
Nah. Just because he mastered a specific power doesn't mean his potential is greater than all others. Heck, other force users such as Krayt and Muur seemed to be able to use it as well. And finally, it has never been used to raise the dead but rather keep people from dying and heal.
Originally posted by ares834
I'm not inclined to believe that it's likely other Skywalker generations force potential is well above Sidious. Sure, it is a possibility, but it's not a guarantee.And sure, Luke could have 180% the potential but then he could also have 101% as well. It's impossible to tell.
Still, there's the fact that Sidious (and pretty much everyone else) was intensely focused on getting Luke as an apprentice due to his power, and when Clone-Palpatine was dying he felt only a Skywalker could host his spirit and seemed to feel it'd make him stronger.
The way everyone, Sidious included, seems to act, implies more than 101% in my book.
Nah. Just because he mastered a specific power doesn't mean his potential is greater than all others. Heck, other force users such as Krayt and Muur seemed to be able to use it as well. And finally, it has never been used to raise the dead but rather keep people from dying and heal.
Muur didn't have it, just advanced healing. Krayt only got it after studying the different healing techniques of Muur, Andeddu, and Cade's, and was able to reproduce it. They're the only two with the full ability.
And while Krayt is a centuries-old Sith Lord and the son of a fairly legendary Jedi who managed after stupid-intense training and passing through death (notably, he can also use it to self-resurrect from fatal wounds, restarting his dead body, so it can do that too), Cade first pulled it off as a mere teenage Padawan. So it clearly came a heck of a lot easier to one of them.
Even though Krayt made himself practically immortal and had an immensely strong body, he still intended to eventually transfer himself into Cade to gain his power as well.
Re: Help me understand the power of Luke.. Caedus and Anakin..
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
what is it ever mentioned what Luke's or Caedus Midoclorite (sp?) was? I know anakin's was the most that the Jedi had ever seen but was it the most in the history of the star wars universe. I'm wondering what Luke's and Caedus were in comparison to Anakin's and Yoda's?
Highest recorded Midi-chlorian count is of Anakin Skywalker; over 20,000 (per cell).
A non Force-sensitive human in Star Wars typically have Midi-chlorian count of around 2000 - 2,500 (per cell).
Force-sensitive individuals, regardless of species, in Star Wars possess lot higher Midi-chlorian count then non Force-sensitive individuals but no average figure has been proposed yet. But Midi-chlorian count of 15,000 or above (per cell) is not common according to Darth Tenebrous.
Individuals with unusually high Force-sensitivity were often noted/commented upon among the Jedi and Sith. Labels such as "strong in the Force" were commonly associated with these individuals. Some prominent examples are Revan, Galen, Malgus, Yoda, Satele and Luke. These Force-sensitive individuals are most likely to have possessed impressive Midi-chlorian counts.
In addition, it is possible that many Force-sensitive individuals may not have been tested for Midi-chlorian count in Star Wars history; Midi-chlorian testing became standard practice after 1000 BBY actually. This maybe due to technological limitations in earlier times.
Therefore, it may remain unclear if Anakin Skywalker was ever rivalled in Midi-Chlorian count in Star Wars history; this is good thing IMO because this paves way for creative liberties.
I personally would like to know Midi-chlorian count of famous Force-sensitive individuals during the Old Republic era.
Keep in mind that Midi-chlorian count may determine one's affinity with the Force but it alone does not necessarily is the key to gaining incredible power.
Some Sith Lords were able to gain incredible power through unnatural means. Lord Vitiate is one example. He was naturally strong in the Force but still used unnatural means to gain immortality.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Anakin's 20k midi-chlorian count is the highest on record. Dialogue from TPM ("not even Master Yoda has a count that high!"😉 seems to confirm the consistent implication in the EU that, prior to Anakin, Yoda was the record holder. The official website outright says Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful Force-user ever, placing him above Abeloth, the Anchorites, and so on. A popular misconception is that Luke's midi-chlorian count is identical to his father's, but the fact that Luke was the product of a natural birth wherein his mother is as Forceless as it gets suggests otherwise. What is said instead by Lucas is that Luke had the potential to become what his father could have-- which, contextually, means Luke had the potential to surpass the Emperor.Caedus believes throughout the Legacy of the Force that his powers will surpass Luke's in time, but he comes to reevaluate this decision later in the books.
Or in, quicktext: Anakin >> Luke > Sidious/>Yoda > everyone else. Where Caedus belongs is a mystery, but it was probably intended between Luke and Sidious.
This.
The midi-chlorians were willed to create him because the Grand Experiment Sidious and Plagueis conducted was an attempt to throw off the balance of the light side and replace it with the dark side across the entire galaxy, the Living Force did not agree with that it is good and the dark side is evil by nature, and so it retaliated by creating a being stronger and with more potential through normal Jedi training than even the rule of two could produce in the mightiest Order of Sith Lords in History.
The Force is strong in the Skywalker family, but it seemed to get progressively more normal with each new generation, with a few strong Force sensitives here and there. They will never have the potential of Anakin, but they will always be strong in the Force.
Luke was dozens of times less "Force Sensitive" than Abeloth, and Anakin had the potential to be stronger than all of them, the Family on Mortis, Abeloth, uber well-trained Sith, the product of a thousand years of Bane's Rule of Two, anything.
Originally posted by Dolos
This.The midi-chlorians were willed to create him because the Grand Experiment Sidious and Plagueis conducted was an attempt to throw off the balance of the light side and replace it with the dark side across the entire galaxy, the Living Force did not agree with that it is good and the dark side is evil by nature, and so it retaliated by creating a being stronger and with more potential through normal Jedi training than even the rule of two could produce in the mightiest Order of Sith Lords in History.
The Force is strong in the Skywalker family, but it seemed to get progressively more normal with each new generation, with a few strong Force sensitives here and there. They will never have the potential of Anakin, but they will always be strong in the Force.
Luke was dozens of times less "Force Sensitive" than Abeloth, and Anakin had the potential to be stronger than all of them, the Family on Mortis, Abeloth, uber well-trained Sith, the product of a thousand years of Bane's Rule of Two, anything.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
A popular misconception is that Luke's midi-chlorian count is identical to his father's, but the fact that Luke was the product of a natural birth wherein his mother is as Forceless as it gets suggests otherwise.
Anakin had a greater Force potential than Abeloth and the Mortis Family.
The Father himself acknowledged this when requesting that Anakin take his place and keep the personifications of the light side and the dark side in tact so they don't escape Mortis and tear up the galaxy like Abeloth would do three decades later.
The Ones were Force-sensitive celestials, tSuper Jedi and Sith. Even after losing the midi-chlorians contained within his entire arm Anakin was still believed by Father to be capable of overpowering his children. He was the embodiment of the Force, it's child, meant to restore balance to the Force. Even as the crippled cyborg Sith Lord, Palpatine still believed that Vader had the power to grow stronger and kill him.
Even Son wanted to destroy the Jedi and the Sith alongside Anakin. After getting as far in his Jedi Training as Luke had per the Thrawn Trilogy, Anakin's powers started developing and increasing exponentially, especially after he started down the dark path, right before his transformation.
He would have truly become a super-powered Sith if not for his defeat on Mustafar and the death of Padme. The threat of Padme's death was the one thing that drove his power-mongering and will to stop people from dying using the Way of the Dark. Without much of his former Force sensitivity and the premise of keeping Padme immortal, he was nothing but a troubled Sith Lord of average caliber in comparison to Palpatine.