Spider-man versus Man Mountain Marko. Round 2. End fight scene.
The use of his wall-crawling ability and resultant advantage in leverage, manuever-ability, etcetera, gives Spider-man an easy win this second time around. Weaponless, in a straight-up no skills brawl, could Wade or Cap do what Spidey so easily does in this re-match?
Somehow, I can't see Classic Cap dropping a guy like Marko before 2 pages was up; Wade only if he cheated. Because of seeing Slade crush Kyle's hand by simply squeezing, though, I CAN see Slade humbling Marko in a direct no-skills "macho-rules" match-up.
Again, though, the real point of showing this is to illustrate how simply making your normal "peak human" a little larger than average makes a significant difference to strength ratings.
Marko might give a Nightwing or even Batman some difficulty. First time around he even does so for Spider-man, until Spider-man makes fuller actual USE of true meta-power.
Key here is size, not superhuman-ness.
Marko is normal human but BIG enough to matter.
Kingpin is bigger and heavier still.
He'll matter even more, as I'll prove tomorrow if I get the chance, even as you've seen that in a few of the pages before now.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Spider-man versus Man Mountain Marko. Round 2. End fight scene.The use of his wall-crawling ability and resultant advantage in leverage, manuever-ability, etcetera, gives Spider-man an easy win this second time around. Weaponless, in a straight-up no skills brawl, could Wade or Cap do what Spidey so easily does in this re-match?
Somehow, I can't see Classic Cap dropping a guy like Marko before 2 pages was up; Wade only if he cheated. Because of seeing Slade crush Kyle's hand by simply squeezing, though, I CAN see Slade humbling Marko in a direct no-skills "macho-rules" match-up.
Slade isn't all that stronger then Cap or Wade.
Originally posted by namorsubby
His general feats for sure make him comparable. Caps highest feats are taken as the norm AND exaggerated by posters "estimations", at least here.
Cap average feats put him at a level equal to Slave or even better to be hones. Slade fans just like to hype Slade with bias statements of being greater across the board including strength. At least by certain fans.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Survived an explosion point blank, surviving against Lobo (even lobo said he wouldn't stand a chance if it weren't his armor), withstanding Legacy's attacks (mini Superman), and he just defeated Hawkman, who has enhanced stats as well.
Most of those feats have really been duplicated by classic Slade. To be honest Slade has impressive fight feats. I was more asking towards a strength feat of lifting.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah, Slade is a fighting character, not a strength guy like Supes. So there aren't (m?)any examples of him lifting weights.
That is true but neither is Cap yet his feats of strength are better then Slades. Not just his high ends but his consistent strength feats on a whole.
Despite a great increase in participation, no one presented anything for Wally, who had his promised 48 hours and so now gets eliminated ...
GrifterSuperboy Prime (depowered)Poison IvyNightwingBatman (Bruce Wayne)Flash (Walter West)
I decided to amend the list a bit to account for the fact that some of the characters change so much in terms of physical capability that they are not really the same character. Captain America is one such case; scarcely more than a stripling teenager to the Kingpin in their way-back-when battle, possibly the superior of Kingpin's classic form now.
Meanwhile, of course, Kingpin seems to have gotten a downgrade.
At the least, few can think of any significant strength feats coming from him since the 1990s.
At any rate, the list now reflects the power changes that occurred over time.
Note the list is still elimination format.
These will be the next 3 people to go ...
Captain America (Classic)*
-- no one has yet come with a feat for Cap pre90s worth considering.
Man Mountain Marko*
-- included here as a guide for what I'm looking for objectively to determine these rankings.
-- note that Marko demonstrates the ability to grapple and brawl with a superhuman noted for being higher than anyone on the original list of 10, including Modern Captain America, or Slade himself, i.e. Spider-man.
(Marko is also included here, because, years later, in a turn strikingly similar to Bane, he essentially got "super juiced" to become a bigger contender. He actually became a truly difficult challenge for 90s Spider-man to put down. Gives a semi-plausible indication of where Bane himself might rank when roided out, as a result)
Killer Croc (Classic)*
-- beaten by Bane, as someone previously mentioned, even at Bane's non pumped level, suffering a 2nd armbreak at Bane's hands
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Note that the remaining list has a cluster of 5 people contending to break that #5 spot up.
These 5 seem to be close enough in feats, concepts, and overall performance as to be NEARLY interchange-able; I'll see if fans present anything solid enough to contradict how I decided they rate against each other to determine their final ranking.
06 Bane (clean)
05-5 Deadpool
05-4 Harley Quinn
05-3 Classic Kingpin (Calm)
05-2 Captain America (Modern, high end)
05-1 Slade
04 Green Goblin
03 Bane (fully juiced)
02 Classic Kingpin (enraged)
01 Killer Croc (Modern)
Originally posted by Daredevil1completely disagree, seeing as his high end and his norm are two different levels. Even pre-DCnU slade is obviously more superhuman overall, and at least comparable strengh wise. DCnU slade Being enhanced by nth metal clearly places him ahead.
That is true but neither is Cap yet his feats of strength are better then Slades. Not just his high ends but his consistent strength feats on a whole.
Originally posted by namorsubby
completely disagree, seeing as his high end and his norm are two different levels. Even pre-DCnU slade is obviously more superhuman overall, and at least comparable strengh wise. DCnU slade Being enhanced by nth metal clearly places him ahead.
DCnU Slade if he's stronger in the armor so be it, they just sure are not giving him the strength feats to show this to well then. I mean for all the prop that Slade fans give this armor he hasn't done any Spiderman level feats in regards to strength only.
But anyways classic Slade its kind of to late to save him as being stronger then Steve. He just can't compete with the consistent strength feats is all. Like hearing a old violin play namor. You and me have done this talk before and were are just not going to see eye to eye on this.
Now despite all this I actually view Cap/Slade as very equal in powerlevel despite the scan feat separation. Despite Cap's strength feats being better by comics, I actually view Cap/Slade equals in many of there stats or very close to one another with small differences separating them.
Originally posted by SamZED
[Green Goblin] is [definitely] stronger than Fisk or juiced Bane.
Norman is a legitimate superhuman with class 10+ strength.
I know you're interested in scans ...
To say the least ...
Conceptually, I'm willing to grant you this, Sam.
If you're going to try to prove this with scans, though, I think you'll have an uphill battle. I'm more convinced than ever that people have not been exposed to Classic Kingpin seeing a response like this.
Unfortunately, with probably half or more of the scans in Digi's respect thread non-working links now, there's only one way to demonstrate why I've got Kingy as the gold standard for this list ...