Originally posted by Robtard
Thor being stabbed doesn't follow with the rest of his shown resilience. Not saying it's to be ignored cos of that, but it simply doesn't follow.
And Whedon follows closely to canon when he can; Thor's blunt force trauma durability far outshines his piercing damage. He's kinda like Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by KingD19
Loki stabbed and hurt Thor with a no name dagger.And the Epirus bow's best feat is freeing the Titan's from a God designed prison, which the Titan's themselves couldn't free themselves from as well as helping the Gods win the first time if I recall.
So Poseidon's Trident, Ares' Warhammer, etc... should certainly do damage. Especially since they are godly weapons and do more damage than they normally would due to the speed at which the gods move and attack.
The same no named dagger that was taking out Frost Giants in the first movie.
Originally posted by omgchos
His other durability feats were blunt force. The same concept as plate armor. You can stab it with enough force but hitting it with a hammer is not very effective.
Originally posted by KingD19
And Whedon follows closely to canon when he can; Thor's blunt force trauma durability far outshines his piercing damage. He's kinda like Wonder Woman.
While yes, I thought of that too, he can tank a punch, but a sharp point harms. Sounds plausible, but.
Considering bullets deflected off Loki as if they were made of Nerf and Thor is arguably supposed to be far more powerful than Loki and add that if you're going to say 'Loki stabbing > bullets', again, it still doesn't follow. If that where the case, when Loki killed humans with his thrown daggers, they'd be ripping into a human body if not outright through.
Originally posted by Robtard
While yes, I thought of that too, he can tank a punch, but a sharp point harms. Sounds plausible, but.Considering bullets deflected off Loki and Thor is arguably supposed to be far more powerful than Loki and add that if you're going to say Loki stabbing > bullets, again, it doesn't follow. If that where the case, when Loki killed humans with his thrown daggers, they'd be ripping into a human body if not outright through.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The same no named dagger that was taking out Frost Giants in the first movie.
Originally posted by omgchos
Well i would argue that loki's stabs are far more deadly than a human bullet. Especially because the bullets loki got hit with probably werent armor piercing tho i have no proof of that (luckily i dont have to prove a negative). So if you assume loki had a very sharp dagger it would most likely pierce far better than some wads of lead.
If we rule out mass x velocity, sure, a sharp dagger is better at piercing than a "wad of lead".
Just doesn't follow, is all I'm saying. Not "Thor can't really be harmed and he pwns, lollolololo!!!1!"
Originally posted by KingD19No one knows for sure how durable or the nature of the prison. The fact is that Rourke's character charged up a shot and launched it at the wall, all it did was cause an explosion no bigger than what an RPG would do.
Loki stabbed and hurt Thor with a no name dagger.And the Epirus bow's best feat is freeing the Titan's from a God designed prison, which the Titan's themselves couldn't free themselves from as well as helping the Gods win the first time if I recall.
So Poseidon's Trident, Ares' Warhammer, etc... should certainly do damage. Especially since they are godly weapons and do more damage than they normally would due to the speed at which the gods move and attack.
Originally posted by omgchosThat's not splitting hairs, there is a massive difference in strength levels between pulling down a mountain with your bare hands and using a pre built mechanism to take out the support pillars holdings up the mountains.
His other durability feats were blunt force. The same concept as plate armor. You can stab it with enough force but hitting it with a hammer is not very effective.You're just splitting hairs, as those were some GIGANTIC pillars.
A good strength feat yes but not mountain level strength by any means.
Originally posted by Newjak
No one knows for sure how durable or the nature of the prison. The fact is that Rourke's character charged up a shot and launched it at the wall, all it did was cause an explosion no bigger than what an RPG would do.
So you're saying because Loki's dagger hurt Frost Giants, it's plausible that it hurt Thor. But because the God's weapons were cutting clean through Titans, there's no way that the weapons or the God's themselves can even hurt Thor?
Originally posted by Newjak
No one knows for sure how durable or the nature of the prison. The fact is that Rourke's character charged up a shot and launched it at the wall, all it did was cause an explosion no bigger than what an RPG would do.That's not splitting hairs, there is a massive difference in strength levels between pulling down a mountain with your bare hands and using a pre built mechanism to take out the support pillars holdings up the mountains.
A good strength feat yes but not mountain level strength by any means.
Originally posted by KingD19Where did I say that?
So you're saying because Loki's dagger hurt Frost Giants, it's plausible that it hurt Thor. But because the God's weapons were cutting clean through Titans, there's no way that the weapons or the God's themselves can even hurt Thor?
I said the only real quantifiable feat we have to link what the Titans can take and put that into terms of what we can fathom is the Imperius Bow's door busting feat.
If you remove that it's hard nigh impossible to gauge how durable the Titans really are.
And if the Imperius bow is what we have to go on it's not like it's most powerful attack in the movie was spectacular and it was able to kill a Titan.
So the Notion that the gods hurt the Titans equates to them hurting Thor is either speculative cause of no feats or a bad feat cause of the Imperus Bow.
It's not exactly a solid foundation to form an opinion that Titan durability equates to Thor durability which means the gods can kill Thor.
Thor has a very good range of high level durability feats.
Originally posted by Newjak
Where did I say that?I said the only real quantifiable feat we have to link what the Titans can take and put that into terms of what we can fathom is the Imperius Bow's door busting feat.
If you remove that it's hard nigh impossible to gauge how durable the Titans really are.
And if the Imperius bow is what we have to go on it's not like it's most powerful attack in the movie was spectacular and it was able to kill a Titan.
So the Notion that the gods hurt the Titans equates to them hurting Thor is either speculative cause of no feats or a bad feat cause of the Imperus Bow.
It's not exactly a solid foundation to form an opinion that Titan durability equates to Thor durability which means the gods can kill Thor.
Thor has a very good range of high level durability feats.
I agree that thor has great blunt force damage feats. But as i said, we know he's penetrable at the very least. And given that loki is relatively weak compared to thor and still managed to stab him, we can assume that with zeus(albeit un-thorlike) strength feat is enough to be able to stab him. As long as his weapon doesn't break. But at this point i dont see how much weaker everyone can say the pantheon is lol. I mean they are actually god's unlike thor in the avengers movie.
Originally posted by omgchosSo because he got stabbed by an Asgardian Dagger that somehow equates to him having absolutely terrible piercing damage?
I agree that thor has great blunt force damage feats. But as i said, we know he's penetrable at the very least. And given that loki is relatively weak compared to thor and still managed to stab him, we can assume that with zeus(albeit un-thorlike) strength feat is enough to be able to stab him. As long as his weapon doesn't break. But at this point i dont see how much weaker everyone can say the pantheon is lol. I mean they are actually god's unlike thor in the avengers movie.
Considering how powerful they've made Asgardian artifacts I don't think that's a really bad showing, nor one to state that Immortal gods weapons will easily piece Thor either unless you have some actual feats for those weapons showing the kind of piercing damage they can generate?
Originally posted by Newjak
So because he got stabbed by an Asgardian Dagger that somehow equates to him having absolutely terrible piercing damage?Considering how powerful they've made Asgardian artifacts I don't think that's a really bad showing, nor one to state that Immortal gods weapons will easily piece Thor either unless you have some actual feats for those weapons showing the kind of piercing damage they can generate?
See the way proof works is that unless you have proof that somehow the greek gods have glass weapons they will be able to stab thor, because he has been stabbed before. Never said he has absolutely terrible piercing damage. Thats called blowing my assertion out of proportion. And since when was loki carrying around magical asguardian artifacts? tiny (literally throw away, as we see thor do)daggers? They are probably very good daggers sure, but you just took that concept and ran away with it. You keep hyping up the movie version of asguard as if it were the comic book, which it is not. Unless you can prove loki was carrying around some kind of super magical, all piercing dagger, stop pretending like it is one.
Back on topic. My point is that since we know zeus is very strong and very fast, and we know thor is not invulnerable, and we know the other gods are also extremely fast. It doesnt really matter what thor does. Even if all they can do is give him the equivelant of a papercut, which we know is possible, eventually hes gonna be worn down like a rock in the breeze. May take a while but there you have it.