Originally posted by Endless Mike
Just because every single attack and punch doesn't destroy the Earth doesn't mean that they're capable of it if they've repeatedly shown that kind of force. You can't have the entire world being ripped in half every time the Hulk punches somebody, that's just common sense.
Lol...can't believe you said this.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...can't believe you said this.
Why? You're going to try to twist my words?
In order to accept someone as being that powerful, they actually have to have consistent feats on that level, you know.
So if you say "X showed the power to destroy a planet consistently so he/she/it can" fine.
But if you say "X said he could destroy a planet with no proof but never did, but he can", no go.
It is an indication of power... if you want to claim a specific feat is higher or not, that's what you can use. If you want to claim the overall capability of a character, you use precedent feats.
X punches someone and does huge collateral damage
Y punches someone and does no collateral damage, but Y has consistent feats of causing that much damage/power output, then Y still competes with X.
And we also have attacks with next to no collateral damage that we know for a fact are incredibly potent in spite of that fact. Hal's Krona Buster was a focused beam of energy that didn't bust a planet or even a city, yet we know that it likely ranks in as Hal's single greatest offensive attack based on what it did (ie. bust Krona).
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And we also have attacks with next to no collateral damage that we know for a fact are incredibly potent in spite of that fact. Hal's Krona Buster was a focused beam of energy that didn't bust a planet or even a city, yet we know that it likely ranks in as Hal's single greatest offensive attack based on what it did (ie. bust Krona).
I agree. Mike usually base things off of collateral damage except when it suits him.
Originally posted by carver9
Let's say if a weakling had enough power to shed a moon, would someone a thousand times more powerful have to repeat the same ft in order to prove they have moon+ busting power?
Assuming the feat isn't an outlier/PIS and backed up by consistent performances on that level by said character, and assuming your "1000 times more powerful" is actually based on fact and not a random number you pulled out of your ass...
Originally posted by carver9
I agree. Mike usually base things off of collateral damage except when it suits him.
lol hypocrisy. You just misuse powerscaling.
Say A destroys a city, and this is consistent and not an outlier/PIS.
It's proven that B is stronger than A, and B has the same kind of power that A does.
Then you can assume B has at least enough power to do the same thing.
You can't assume B can destroy a country, or a continent, or a planet, without more data.
Originally posted by carver9
So if a character destroyed a moon with a casual blast...you admit that someone thousands, if not millions of times more powerful should be able to outperform this ft without breaking a sweat?
Assuming the feat isn't an outlier/PIS and backed up by consistent performances on that level by said character, and assuming your "1000 times more powerful" is actually based on fact and not a random number you pulled out of your ass...
Read. It's not hard.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Carv's trying to use DBZ power scaling logic.
Which actually works to a degree, but not the degree he's claiming.
I'm not going to say Goku can't destroy a planet because he never did. He obviously can. But I'm not going to say he can destroy the sun, or the solar system, or the galaxy, or whatever, because based on the canon material (the manga) there is absolutely no precedent for that other than your odd hyperbole statement.
In before pr bans us for talking about DBZ... 😛
Survive no matter what
Butterball
Juggernaut
Survive if planet-destroying beam itself does not strike them
Gladiator
Green Lantern (assuming ring's auto-protect)
Martian Manhunter
Silver Surfer
Supergirl
Superman
Thor
If people have even one second to react and are not struck with the planet-destroying beam itself ...
Flash (Wally West)
Magneto
Rogue (by calling forth Gladiator's invulnerability and lack of need to breathe)
Originally posted by carver9We could say that, if they are definitely more powerful in the same way the "weakling" is (I am pretending for a moment you are not venting about DBZ), in that a character could beat another without being powerful in the same way (Through speed, broken powersets, etc), that they could replicate the weakling's feat with greater ease, generally.
So if a character destroyed a moon with a casual blast...you admit that someone thousands, if not millions of times more powerful should be able to outperform this ft without breaking a sweat?
But see, wanna know how much more energy it would take to blow up Earth, than the moon?
About three orders of magnitude. A thousand times more energy.
That's an enormous difference, and Earth is not, in fact, a thousand times larger than the moon.