Originally posted by marwash22
Soifon's is pretty terrible.Kensei's is horrible as well.
both have cool skikai abilities and then their bankai's are just lame ass destructive forces.
Soi Fon's, while not great, has the advantage of a totally different tactical use than the shikai, so she has wider options. Close in move vs ranged move.
Komamura's shikai seems to pack most of the functionality of his bankai anyway.
NemeBro
Nowhere did dadudemon cite a Bleach calculation.Therefore, he can't be a hypocrite for denying OBD Naruto calcs.
He didn't cite them specifically, but where do the ideas on OP and Bleach speeds come from? OBD.
(And I'll note I never citing OBD either but he was trying to decry Naruto on that basis too)
If we go by pure visuals, Naruto characters are faster than most OP ones (exception: Energy-type logia and their teleport move), faster than the slow Bleach characters, but slower than the fastest Bleach characters who rule the roost. Generally speaking.
I will also note that in the case of Bleach and One Piece both, the fast characters have been fought against by characters noticeably slower than the Naruto ones.
So the idea that Naruto characters'll be blitzed? It's not coming from the manga, any of the three manga.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Nowhere did dadudemon cite a Bleach calculation.Therefore, he can't be a hypocrite for denying OBD Naruto calcs.
What did you not get it is from the fact he think naruto would get blitzed and that idea came from the obd. Yet he does not believe in naruto calcs. He did not directly say it but that's where ti came from.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That idea does not come from the OBD, and I know for a fact that he doesn't use a single ODB calc, and refuses to so much as look at them.
Well, I'll outright state that OBD is not where I get my views on speed from (they mainly focus on stuff like the Rasenshuriken calc, stuff like the Neji vs Kidomaru calc, and so on). But rather some very large and obvious speed feats wherein large distances are traveled in short times (Kisame and Gai by turtle island, Pain and Naruto chase where kilometers are traveled in short order in both cases), as well as high burst-speed has been shown (a couple Sasuke feats, some other main character flickers, as well as even a no-name chunin blinking across a room and grabbing someone halfway before the target can react).
Judging by which, higher end Naruto characters are faster than OP characters, slower than speedy Bleach characters, but faster than character who have successfully defended against and fought against said speedy Bleach characters.
Unless you get into the true crazy-fast characters like Final Ichigo, the blitzing conclusion doesn't hold up.