I understand where you're coming from. 🙂 I'm very aware of all the LOTR fans who were very aggravated when they heard that Saruman's death didn't make it to the final cut. And I really can't blame them, or you, or me (whenever I can't help it but to be disappointed at some of the changes I disapproved with myself) but I think we can do no more about it. The movie was released already, some theaters don't even show it anymore, I think we just have to wait for the EE to see the "definitive ROTK film version". The "real" version for lack of a better word. I understand your disappointment and regret (I was also once like you before I thought to myself that I should just get over it) but I think we just have to be happy with the version we have right now. PJ and Co. might have done lots of changes, but at least the movie was decent. PJ has his own understanding and vision of the book. I don't even want to imagine what if the movie came to the hands of other directors.
Life is good. 🙂
Sorry, fans... Scouring of the Shire is probably the most important part of the whole book... its when the hobbits of the quest (and the reader) realise that the quest against Sauron hasn't changed much, really... evil still exists, and now it has come home. While Frodo et al were away, the Shire has moved on, just as the modern world has moved on from the so-called "time of legend." The heroes can no longer be what they were.. they must become leaders, or leave. Pippin and merry realise this in the end, and die not in the land of their birth, but in Gondor and Rohan, Frodo realises it early on, and even Sam cannot rest in the Shire, but in the end goes "over the sea" leaving the "new" world behind him. With the end of the Dark Lord comes not a better time, but rather a worse one, with the end of Elves and magic, and the beginning of the rule of man and machine...
Originally posted by big gay kirk
Sorry, fans... Scouring of the Shire is probably the most important part of the whole book...
No, it's not. Otherwise, the movies should have failed miserably and the fans of the book would have never forgave the filmmakers for leaving that chapter out. Their hearts wouldn't find peace if the "most important part of the whole book" was left out. And I believe that no part of the book is the "most important", all of them are important. Just like how no single particular character is the "true hero". They're all heroes. Except Sauron's minions of course.
No movie fails miserably because an important part is missed out... some adaptations of books for the big screen have even left out the main character without affecting ticket sales! And lets be honest, wherever I go on this forum there are fans of the book screaming "Why did they miss out the Scouring of the Shire!!" I stand by what I said: The destruction of the Ring leads to a worse world, not a better one, a point that the movie seems to have missed completely....
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, it was a pointless epilogue that destroyed the flow of the book and it should never have been included, in my opinion. I was utterly uninterested in the entire chapter.
whoah you think??
i loved the chapter....how the hobbitws get all worked up lol.....the first and last deaths of the war of the ring were in the shire 😛
i think they should have had it...saruman dying in the place he corrupted at the hands of people he had overlooked seemd ironic to me....
well to have it in the film it would need to be at least anpther hour long
and remeber the movie had to appeal to non-book fans......people would walk out after the biiiig battle...rings gone.....they get back to the shire and see some noncey shirrifs beaing pathetic.....
so in the book its excellent...shows how they have grown.....
in the film.......quite pointless as it doesnt do much to the plot does it
I think there will be a "Scouring of the Shire" sequence in Rotk EE. In the beginning of Rotk, Gandalf, Aragorn, Gimli, Theoden, Eomer and Legolas comes to Isengard, where Merry & Pippin are. Treebeard says:
"Rock and stone, wood and water I can master, but there's a wizard in the tower I can't manage" (or something like that)
and Gandalf answers:
"And there Saruman must remain"
I've read that Grima will push Saruman and that Saruman will fall down from the tower, and then Legolas will shoot Grima. (All this takes place up in the Orthanc tower, as far as I know)
But how can Gandalf in one moment say "And there Saruman must remain", when in the other moment go up in Orthanc together with Theoden, Eomer, Legolas, Gimli & co? I don't get it. And people have told me that Theoden will be present when Saruman and Grima are killed - then Saruman and Grima must be killed when Gandalf & co are at Isengard in the beginning of Rotk - because Theoden dies on Pellenor fields.. But still, how could Gandalf say: "and there he must remain"?? I dont get it, there must be another sequence when Gandalf & Co comes back to Isengard after the ring's thrown into the fires of Mount Doom - or there will be a scouring of the Shire.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to tell you. 🙂
The Scouring was NEVER filmed. 🙂 So it wouldn't be in the EE, either. 🙂
If I understood what you're saying correctly, yes, Saruman and Grima will die in Isengard. When Gandalf said "And there Saruman must remain", it is before Saruman's and Grima's first ROTK appearance and it is before both of them had died. And yes, Theoden is present when they died. When Pippin took up the palantir, the whole ordeal is already finished. In the film, it's either Grima threw the palantir from Orthanc just like in the book or Saruman carried it with him while he was falling. I'm not so sure. The filmmakers just cut out loads of stuff in between the "And there Saruman must remain" line to the discovery of the palantir, etc. 🙂
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shadowy_blue: The Scouring was NEVER filmed. So it wouldn't be in the EE, either.
dileno I understand, shadowy_blue. But I have a thought that PJ & Co had not told us the truth. 😉
Take a look at the scenes in the mirror of Galadriel (when Frodo look into it) in the FotR. There are some scenes of Sam (& Frodo) being captured by Orks, AND some scenes of the Scouring of the Shire.