bluewaterrider
Senior Member
Originally posted by -Pr-
Spider-Man being superior to a fifty-tonner with the power cosmic under average circumstances is PIS.Hell, Digi wrote the original rule, and he's arguably the biggest Spidey fan on these boards.
Digi is amazing, but I also would like to see the rationale behind Spider-man versus Firelord being considered Plot Induced as opposed to Character Induced.
For I've never seen the incredible durability people keep ascribing to Firelord. Fights Drax, he's hurt. Fights Herc, he's sent flying. Fights Airwalker and he's nearly choked to death, even though Airwalker has a hole blasted nearly through him at the time, and apparently was just resurrected or something?
Fights Hulk, and the flame hurts Hulk, but Hulk puts him down, apparently for all time, with a single punch to the stomach, the first blow I can recall Hulk landing.
Simply put, I have never seen Firelord display enough durability to make me think much was wrong with Spider-man's pushed-to-the-edge showing. WHAT. HAS. FIRELORD. DONE??
Nearly every major hitter I've seen Firelord go against has humbled Firelord. Physically, anyway. (Firelord never stops talking, from what I can tell, if he's able...)
If the idea is "Hey, well, Firelord could have produced a miniature nova blast and killed Spider-man and everyone in downtown New York with a sudden intense heat flash!"?
That's CHARACTER induced limiting.
It is Firelord's own sense of HONOR that prevents him from doing that; he says so himself, and you can't have it both ways.
If Firelord were NOT a being ridiculously caught up with notions of honor and chivalry, Spider-man's interference would not have been enough of an insult to Firelord to duel Parker man-to-man in the first place.
So, please, somebody back this up:
1) Show me that Firelord's "failure" to nuke New York and murder millions of innocents to crush Spider-man in a personal duel is NOT the character trait of a being obsessed with the idea of honor
2) Show me that Firelord has the durability in other engagements to take the focused force of numerous punches from strong metahuman opponents and be unaffected by them.
Someone other than Thor, too. ANYONE other than Thor, for the Marvel Team Up episode with Spider-man, Thor, and the Valkyrie formed some of my first comicbook reading, and in that one Thor angrily clocked Spidey all but completely unprepared with Mjolnir, flooring him, but Thor was immediately afterwards struck by the possessed Valkyrie himself, and the very next panel featured Spidey sitting up after that hard, angry, unprepared blow dazed, but really only thinking to himself "I sure wish Thor had taken a moment to ask WHY I'm fighting the Valkyrie instead of just hauling off on me like that ..."