Originally posted by Kento
Bardock never really got healed between Dodoria and attacking Freeza. He got a tiny bit of rest on his ride back to Vegeta and that's about it. Heck his whole pod was covered in blood, he could barley stand, and he still went through waves of henchmen. So I don't know if his power would have increased more than once from Dodoria to waking up in the past.
He rested enough to get back in fighting shape. Really, I don't see a 10ker doing what he did against Frieza's troops.
In any case, he should be well above 10k by the time he faces Chilled.
Originally posted by Galan007All we have though is the minimum he can be at, speculation could make him anywhere in power.
Nah, the true plot-device was when Goku transformed into a SSJ. The power he gained from healing simply showcased his natural Saiyan evolutionary process.Like I said, you'd *think* Bardock, being Goku's father and all, would receive similar gains as his son. Even if the gain he received after recuperating from his numerous beatings and near-death experience gave him just a fraction of the power increase we saw in Goku(a 1500% boost, remember), then his power would have still been substantially beyond the 500k theorized here. However, even if Bardock received the full 1500% increase that Goku did, it'd only put his base PL at 150,000(10,000+1500%=150,000.) So even as a SSJ, his PL would have only been 7,500,000(150,000*50=7.5 million)--- final form Frieza would have been capable of matching that power level using only 1/16 of his power. Not joking.
But Gokou isnt Bardock, we only really have one gauge for Gokou and thats the same time Vegeta skyrockets. IF we had a power level for Gokou before he left to Namek after nearly dying against Vegeta it be a better gauge. All we know is he went from 8,000 to 90,000 between Vegeta and Ginyu.
Originally posted by Bentleywell we know he's stronger than 10,000...but really how much is unknown. Kinda hard to judge this battle but...it's Vegeta so he loses cause he is arrogant. xD oddly enough I'd put more money on Saiyan Saga Vegeta to win.
Chilled pales in every comparison with Frieza though, I mean, he looks like the the guy who appears in Neko Majin Z.
Originally posted by Q99He didn't have rest though. Bleeding out flying home is about all he gets. That doesn't exactly put him in good condition. Makes you wonder what he could've done in fighting condition.
He rested enough to get back in fighting shape. Really, I don't see a 10ker doing what he did against Frieza's troops.In any case, he should be well above 10k by the time he faces Chilled.
Above it, but again without a real gauge for sure its all speculation except that he was stronger. Could be 12,000 could be 20,000 or could be whatever.
Originally posted by Galan007
During the Frieza saga, Goku's PL was 180,000 before he was injured in the Ginyu affair. After he healed from that encounter, his base PL had increased to 3,000,000(confirmed in the Daizenshuu)--- that's why/how he was able to match a 50% powered Frieza(PL=60,000,000) with his 20x kaioken. This means Goku received a power increase of over 1,500% from that one beat-down!
Goku's PL was 90,000. It was 180,000 because he used Kaio-Ken.
Also, Gohan's power level jumped dramatically on Namek, as well.
He went from 1500 when fighting Frieza's henchmen (when they first landed) to 10,000 when fighting Guldo. Then 14,000 after being unlocked by Guru. Then 20,000 against Recoome. Then a massive 200,000 right before the battle with Frieza.
Seems the Zenkai wildly fluctuates even with the same person much less between other people.
I will say this: it would appear that the boost in Zenkai is dependent upon how severely people are injured...except for Vegeta. lol
The 1,500 simply wasn't his full power, he already hit 3k against Nappa when in a rage.
Hm, I'm going to take a guess and say that when Guru unlocked Gohan's and Krillian's potential, it didn't just give a boost right then, but actually improved their growth rate significantly, which is why it advanced so fast.
I will say this: it would appear that the boost in Zenkai is dependent upon how severely people are injured...except for Vegeta. lol
Yep 🙂 No wonder he had to use it so much.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Goku's PL was 90,000. It was 180,000 because he used Kaio-Ken.Also, Gohan's power level jumped dramatically on Namek, as well.
He went from 1500 when fighting Frieza's henchmen (when they first landed) to 10,000 when fighting Guldo. Then 14,000 after being unlocked by Guru. Then 20,000 against Recoome. Then a massive 200,000 right before the battle with Frieza.
Guru unlocked Gohan's power before they fought Guldo.
Originally posted by KentoConsidering this is a non-canon character, all we have is speculation anyway.
All we have though is the minimum he can be at, speculation could make him anywhere in power.But Gokou isnt Bardock, we only really have one gauge for Gokou and thats the same time Vegeta skyrockets. IF we had a power level for Gokou before he left to Namek after nearly dying against Vegeta it be a better gauge. All we know is he went from 8,000 to 90,000 between Vegeta and Ginyu. well we know he's stronger than 10,000...but really how much is unknown. Kinda hard to judge this battle but...it's Vegeta so he loses cause he is arrogant. xD oddly enough I'd put more money on Saiyan Saga Vegeta to win.
He didn't have rest though. Bleeding out flying home is about all he gets. That doesn't exactly put him in good condition. Makes you wonder what he could've done in fighting condition.
I'm just saying that even if he gained a boost of 1500% just from healing, then his PL(even as a SSJ) would still be utterly insignificant next to someone like Frieza. However, I firmly believe his PL would have been above 500k, though. His beatings were pretty severe, and he had time to fully recover from them. /shrug
Originally posted by dadudemonTrue, I forgot about that. This means Goku received a power increase of over 3000% just by healing from the Ginyu beating alone! Wow!
Goku's PL was 90,000. It was 180,000 because he used Kaio-Ken.
...But even if Bardock received a 3000% boost(as Goku did) then that only puts his base PL at 300,000--- which means his SSJ PL would be 15,000,000. Final form Frieza could match that PL using only 1/8 of his power. Damn.
Originally posted by dadudemon👆
Also, Gohan's power level jumped dramatically on Namek, as well.He went from 1500 when fighting Frieza's henchmen (when they first landed) to 10,000 when fighting Guldo. Then 14,000 after being unlocked by Guru. Then 20,000 against Recoome. Then a massive 200,000 right before the battle with Frieza.
Seems the Zenkai wildly fluctuates even with the same person much less between other people.
Originally posted by dadudemonYa, Vegeta just sucks.
I will say this: it would appear that the boost in Zenkai is dependent upon how severely people are injured...except for Vegeta. lol
Originally posted by dadudemon
You sure? I can't be arsed to go read through stuff, again.
Yeah i'm sure. He unlocked Gohan's power right as Vegeta found them. Then Veg went into panic mode went he felt the "most awesome team to ever grace anything ever" coming and decided to join the Z boys.
Right after Vegeta killed Guldo Reccome stepped in. There was no time to do anything but fight
Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah i'm sure. He unlocked Gohan's power right as Vegeta found them. Then Veg went into panic mode went he felt the "most awesome team to ever grace anything ever" coming and decided to join the Z boys.Right after Vegeta killed Guldo Reccome stepped in. There was no time to do anything but fight
I wonder why the powerscaling is off, then? Someone needs to edit the wiki.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I wonder why the powerscaling is off, then? Someone needs to edit the wiki.
Yeah, they got the readings inverted there. Gohan got the Guru booster just before the Gyniu team arrived, because Krillin urged Gohan to get the boost after Gohan tricked vegeta about the Dragon Rader.