Team High Herald vs ...

Based on how they fight, bluewater convinced me that when faced with powerful opponents, Thor will BFR them.

T1

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Speed Blitzes aren't that much in character for any of these people that I know of, save perhaps Nova Prime, who I am not at all familiar with.

On the herald side, Silver Surfer, save for the fact that he does not seem to blitz much either, is the most unknown. Seems relatively slow to fight. I'm wondering how he fares against Magneto, Vision, and Rogue, in about that order. Kid Gladiator seems to have roughly the same abilities as his father. Rogue recently borrowed his powers for some major offensive, but, unfortunately, I can't remember against who.
Perhaps Exodus?

The Vision and Rogue are useless against the Surfer. He beat the Vision and Wonder Man at the same time in literally one panel back in the Order series. Rogue tried to absorb the Surfer's powers once and failed. Super Skrull was literally brutalized by Norrin when he got pissed off. Magneto could be a fight but he's out-classed, IMO.

Team One wins this. They simply have too much power.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer solos.

Without him, the "High Heralds" are actually not very high at all.

Oh and Thor dies.

The Surfer can't solo but he could beat Wonder Man, Vision, Super Skrull and Rogue at the same time. I also think the others can take multiple opponents as well.

Originally posted by janus77
Rhino just got way stronger? 😕

Originally posted by Newjak
Rhino got upgraded so his horn was actually part of a tooth from Midgard Serpent.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Thor seems to have gotten weaker.

....how is a guy who kills the Demogorge, clipped the wings of the Phoenix Force, endured an assault from Glory, effected the Chaos King, stalemates Silver Surfer, physically blasts through Galactus' helmet, killed Surtur, one shot BFRd an amped Hulk while being less than at optimal health/endurance, and the like weaker than he was before?

You would literally have to ignore or be ignorant of the vast majority of Thor's feats since his rebirth to come to that conclusion.

This fight isn't easy on any side and Vision has stalemate Surfer before.

Originally posted by carver9
This fight isn't easy on any side and Vision has stalemate Surfer before.

The last time they fought the Surfer beat the Vision with a single attack, even with Wonder Man helping him. The Vision is a non-factor against the Silver Surfer.

The issue here, is that as strong as team 2 is, they're going up against the three guys who've been arguably top of the herald division on a consistent basis for the last what, four or five decades? And then add Orion, who's no slouch either.

Team 1 can take it, but not without showing just why they're rated so highly.

Personally, I think Team 1 would have to dip into their high end WTF level feats in order to win.

Originally posted by carver9
Team high Herald

Thor
Superman
Surfer
Orion

Vs

Super Skrull
Nova Prime
Magneto
Classic Rogue
Storm (with Cannonball shielding around her.)
Ms. Marvel
Wonderman
Vision
Ironman
War Machine
Kid Gladiator

Nova deputizes his entire team.

Magneto and Nova place mjolnir in a dual gravimetric/em bubble while Vision and Super Skrull attack Thor simultaneously with a brain bubble squeeze/phased hand into lungs combo. Thor's down.

Just as in the (according to dc fans) cannon JLA/Avengers, Supes gets phucked up by a repulsar blast, Wonder Man punch, Vision punch followed by a mass team beat down all while his teammates stare on in a weird mix of disbelief and horror combo. He's out.

Wonderman, Kid Gladiator, Ms Marvel and Rogue engage Orion in h2h, aided by potshots from War Machine and lighting from Storm. Mags comes and pins Orion down via the metal in his costume and that stupid little scooter he flies around on. Then Rider finishes him off with 52 compressed gravimetric pulses to his head.

Surfer sees all of this and promptly leaves.

Seriously though, I could honestly see the high heralds winning. I can also see the mass team winning provided they coordinate their attacks effectively, with their margin of error being less then that of the Super team.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Based on how they fight, bluewater convinced me that when faced with powerful opponents, Thor will BFR them.

Bluewaterrider called that right; it's good that you were finally persuaded by him.

Question is, however, will Thor himself think the people on Team 2 powerful enough to warrant removing from the battlefield?

Pro-team 1 supporters seemed determined to prove otherwise for a moment there ...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Personally, I think Team 1 would have to dip into their high end WTF level feats in order to win.

I wouldn't say that but they cannot afford to play around here.

Thor and surfer have the ability to clear a lot of feam 1 with a single attack. Superman can hand out one-shots like candy canes. Team 1 should take it.

I don't see anyone on team 2 being taken out easily.

You still haven't explained what Cannonball shielding is.

Superman could definitely one shot classic rogue, warbird, super skrull, kid gladiator. Maybe war machine. If surfer opened up a black hole or Thor pulled something exotic out of mjolnir, some could survive, but most would be in deep. I don't know too much about Orion tho. If supes runs wild and makes himself a huge problem for team 2 it makes it easier for everyone else to get exotic.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-MenUnlimited13-24.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/X-MenUnlimited13-26.jpg

That weeds out those guys since Surfer can non chalantly take them out, which leaves him, Supes and Orion to molest the others.

Thor gets taken out admidst the chaos... casually.

abhi will be in here soon to try and post a mini respect thread about how superman can not only withstand that, but replicate it in some vague way