DE Sidious -vs- The Emperor (Lord Vitiate)

I might have had a little much too eggnog. 😛

But I came across this:

Even as a child, the Sith Emperor possessed immense strength in the Force, and his abilities began to manifest themselves at the age of six. He used his newfound powers to snap his adoptive father's neck with a thought, and tortured his mother with the Force for months while feeding on her fear and pain. As his powers grew, Tenebrae continued to gorge himself on the fear and suffering of those who he tortured in public execution.
When he confronted his real father, the Sith Lord Dramath, at the age of ten, Tenebrae was able to strip the man of both his sanity and his power in the Force.[1]
Tenebrae's power at the age of thirteen was great enough for Marka Ragnos, the current Dark Lord of the Sith, to acknowledge the teenager's strength and grant him the title of Lord Vitiate.
Vitiate soon gained a reputation as a scholar, spending much of the next century studying the secrets of the dark side.
He soon gained an immense knowledge of Sith sorcery, becoming one of the most powerful practitioners of both Sith magic and Sith alchemy throughout history, and devised complex rituals to warp reality and life itself.

Another one of Vitiate's specialties was in the domination of his opponent's minds, as he was able to dominate the minds of eight thousand Sith Lords and bind them to his will. He then used their combined power to perform the most complex ritual of Sith magic ever performed, ripping the Force from the entire planet of Nathema and absorbing the combined life-force of every living thing on the surface. Lord Scourge suspected that the Emperor had not only absorbed the lives of those who had died in the ritual, but was in fact feeding off of their spirits to sustain his own throughout the centuries that followed.[1] As Emperor, he spent much of his rule experimenting even further with the dark side, discovering many lost techniques and increasing his immense power even more.[10] While his body was harmed by the ravaging effects of the dark side, the technique of transfer essence allowed the Emperor to move his consciousness—which had been made immortal as a result of the ritual on Nathema—between bodies and sustain his life indefinitely.[3] By combining various Force techniques, the Emperor was also able to imbue portions of his consciousness into infants, transforming these Children of the Emperor into extensions of his will. The Emperor could suppress his Children's personas and even their Force-sensitivity, making them the ultimate covert operatives, and even possess them like puppets.[37]

And kind of got to thinking - considering that it's almost as if "The Emperor" is the Broly of the Sith - how would he seriously fare in an all-out battle against DE Sidious?

So:

Battleground: Same place where Vitiate fought Revan - same Vitiate from that period.

VS - Darth Sidious from Dark Empire.

All. Out Battle.

Who wins this?

Sids speedblitzes as fast as he kills Kit Fisto.

Originally posted by Based
Sids speedblitzes as fast as he kills Kit Fisto.

You mean The Emperor, for all his inherent power, has relatively slow reflexes?

Hmm..

Originally posted by Based
Sids speedblitzes as fast as he kills Kit Fisto.

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It shall be noted that these two Sith Lords are unique in comparison to others because both gained the ability to survive without the need of physical bodies. However, Vitiate accomplished highest degree of immortality among the Sith in the whole mythos. Vitiate not just made his life everlasting but also possessed the ability to perform offensive moves during essence phase itself. In short, Vitiate was extremely dangerous even in essence phase. In contrast, palpatine was not dangerous in essence phase.

Combat history wise, Palpatine's greatest feats are with a lightsaber and Vitiate's greatest feats are with the Force.

Vitiate's strategy is to prevent a lightsaber wielding opponent from getting close to him and wear such an opponent down with his overwhelming array of Force powers.

Palpatine's strategy is to blitz an opponent with his lightsaber early on to either accomplish a kill or gain upperhand. However, this strategy can work if Palpatine is very close to the opponent.

DE incarnation of Palpatine pack a major weakness and also advantage. Major weakness is that this incarnation, if in clone body, will be extremely vulnerable against deadly dark side powers. Clone body can be easily destroyed by such powers. Major advantage is the ability of this incarnation to summon a Force Storm which can destroy any mortal being/materialistic object.

So both DE Palpatine and Vitiate are capable of destroying each other's bodies.

However, Vitiate's essence also packs offensive ability and by virtue of this advantage, it is possible that his essence can possibly overcome Sidious's essence (which lacks any offensive ability). Though this aspect of Star Wars isn't much explored.

Furthermore, I have yet to touch the subject of telepathic abilities. Smart people can do the math.

DE Sids demolishes Vitiate.

For all of Vitiate's uberness, I feel that even RotS Sids would win a majority in all-out against him.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
DE Sids demolishes Vitiate.

For all of Vitiate's uberness, I feel that even RotS Sids would win a majority in all-out against him.

ROTS Sids can do jack against Vitiate.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Fanboyistic paddling won't do.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
So what are you doing here?

Have you even bothered to read what I wrote below that small line in my above post?

Originally posted by axel_jovan
So what are you doing here?

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Originally posted by axel_jovan
DE Sids demolishes Vitiate.

For all of Vitiate's uberness, I feel that even RotS Sids would win a majority in all-out against him.

Originally posted by ares834
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It shall be noted that these two Sith Lords are unique in comparison to others because both gained the ability to survive without the need of physical bodies. However, Vitiate accomplished highest degree of immortality among the Sith in the whole mythos. Vitiate not just made his life everlasting but also possessed the ability to perform offensive moves during essence phase itself. In short, Vitiate was extremely dangerous even in essence phase. In contrast, palpatine was not dangerous in essence phase.

Combat history wise, Palpatine's greatest feats are with a lightsaber and Vitiate's greatest feats are with the Force.

Vitiate's strategy is to prevent a lightsaber wielding opponent from getting close to him and wear such an opponent down with his overwhelming array of Force powers.

Palpatine's strategy is to blitz an opponent with his lightsaber early on to either accomplish a kill or gain upperhand. However, this strategy can work if Palpatine is very close to the opponent.

DE incarnation of Palpatine pack a major weakness and also advantage. Major weakness is that this incarnation, if in clone body, will be extremely vulnerable against deadly dark side powers. Clone body can be easily destroyed by such powers. Major advantage is the ability of this incarnation to summon a Force Storm which can destroy any mortal being/materialistic object.

So both DE Palpatine and Vitiate are capable of destroying each other's bodies.

However, Vitiate's essence also packs offensive ability and by virtue of this advantage, it is possible that his essence can possibly overcome Sidious's essence (which lacks any offensive ability). Though this aspect of Star Wars isn't much explored.

Furthermore, I have yet to touch the subject of telepathic abilities. Smart people can do the math.

Have any answer for this?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Have any answer for this?

Yeah, who says a clone body is easier to destroy than a normal body??

Clones more rapidly decay under dark side effects than do normal bodies. But I'm unaware of any evidence that suggests that they are more vulnerable to attack.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Clones more rapidly decay under dark side effects than do normal bodies. But I'm unaware of any evidence that suggests that they are more vulnerable to attack.

They are "inferior" in every way so logic dictates that not only is the potency of their attacks inferior, but so is their defense.

Originally posted by axel_jovan
So what are you doing here?

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@ Jadams

Where does it say that clones have inferior attack?

Originally posted by -kV-
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@ Jadams

Where does it say that clones have inferior attack?

What I am saying is the clones are " a step removed from the natural process" as stated in the sources. What this means is they're more susceptible to the corruption of the dark side and as such, can't go all out like a natural born force user.

Originally posted by jadams3928
What I am saying is the clones are " a step removed from the natural process" as stated in the sources. What this means is they're more susceptible to the corruption of the dark side and as such, can't go all out like a natural born force user.

Well, that would answer my age-old query of why didn't Palpatine (or any other applicable Sith) just create an army of cloned Dark Jedi, etc.

Always wondered about that, but at least they came up with a decent answer to the question.

Originally posted by Rookwood
You mean The Emperor, for all his inherent power, has relatively slow reflexes?

Hmm..

He got disarmed by a saber throw from a Jedi who was getting tooled by a Dark Council member if that counts for anything.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
He got disarmed by a saber throw from a Jedi who was getting tooled by a Dark Council member if that counts for anything.

I've avoided playing TOR for it's shittiness, but yeah, this doesn't surprise me.

You would think for a Dark Lord that developed titanic mental powers at a Broly-esque rate, that he would at the very least have good precognition or bullet-time abilities.

But apparently no; - it almost makes his uber powers seem useless.

So? Sidious was shot in the back by Han Solo