Originally posted by SamZED
Ah got it. I was surprised how could i miss it.
Shame on you, Wolverine villains go toe to toe with beings like Galactus and FP Tyrant, not some pussies like Janithor and his green persecutor.
Originally posted by SamZED
Well most likely, did you read ASM 700?
No. Only seen the full scene of Parker's death posted by guy... it made me a bit sad even, Ock pummeling him mercilessly 🙁
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Shame on you, Wolverine villains go toe to toe with beings like Galactus and FP Tyrant, not some pussies like Janithor and his green persecutor.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No. Only seen the full scene of Parker's death posted by guy... it made me a bit sad even, Ock pummeling him mercilessly 🙁
Im not sure Gargsn is dead i just assumed. You know how Pete holds back fighting his opponents because hes affraid he might kill them? Well Ock doesnt have that problem. Took Gargan's jaw clean off with a punch.
Wolverine tore off Wrecker's jaw (well, technically he sliced through it, but you know what I mean) and he's still around. I hope Mac survives, too.
I'm not sure that should've happened to Gargan... didn't Parker say to one of his clones that throwing a full-power punch at him would result in breaking his hand? You know the incident I'm talking about, perhaps you can clear it up. Gargan has similar durability, better even.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWOh im sure Gargan will be back eventually, just saying he might be dead at this point. Wreckers powers are magical so its a bit different i guess.
Wolverine tore off Wrecker's jaw (well, technically he sliced through it, but you know what I mean) and he's still around. I hope Mac survives, too.I'm not sure that should've happened to Gargan... didn't Parker say to one of his clones that throwing a full-power punch at him would result in breaking his hand? You know the incident I'm talking about, perhaps you can clear it up. Gargan has similar durability, better even.
Tbh cant remember that instance but i wouldnt take that statement too seriously. Parker tends to overhype his enemie's strength, durability etc like 10% of his rogues are "as strong as Hulk" and guys like Tombstone "is like a brick wall" yet he's oneshotted him before. Remember how he punched out GG while still pulling his punch? Taking Gargans jaw with a punch is impressive but wouldnt call it a high end feat compared to few others.
Originally posted by SamZEDAfter that he was in prison, then during Spider-Island they wanted something from him can't recall what when he was in front of Jameson, Jameson tranformed into a Spider and attacked him.
Wait wa? When did that happen? Thought you were talking about the recent story where Smythe killed his wife and Pete koed him or am i forgetting some old story.
Originally posted by SamZED
Oh im sure Gargan will be back eventually, just saying he might be dead at this point. Wreckers powers are magical so its a bit different i guess.Tbh cant remember that instance but i wouldnt take that statement too seriously. Parker tends to overhype his enemie's strength, durability etc like 10% of his rogues are "as strong as Hulk" and guys like Tombstone "is like a brick wall" yet he's oneshotted him before. Remember how he punched out GG while still pulling his punch? Taking Gargans jaw with a punch is impressive but wouldnt call it a high end feat compared to few others.
Asgardian-like beings are all "magical", but lesser blows have slain them.
OK, but how is that relevant? In that incident with clone he overhyped his own durability then, it seems 😬
Generally his strength is higher than his durability, but he still shouldn't be able to do that to guys in his power tier (scorp is actually a little above).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThe Wrecker is no some fodder asgardian, besides iirc Wolverne didnt hurt him all that bad, only several deep cuts and it is not the same as getting your jaw punched clean off.
Asgardian-like beings are all "magical", but lesser blows have slain them.OK, but how is that relevant? In that incident with clone he overhyped his own durability then, it seems 😬
Generally his strength is higher than his durability, but he still shouldn't be able to do that to guys in his power tier (scorp is actually a little above).
I dont remember that instance so cant say anything for sure. That said cant think of a reason to believe that Spider-man should break his hand punching his own clone.
Why not? Because it wouldnt make sense relatively to ordinary humans? Spider-man was always said to hold back even when fighting super villains. Remember how he sent Scorpion flying through the roof knocking him the F out with an uppercought? If THAT was a held back punch I dont have a problem with what Spider Ock did. Then there are feats like punching through Iron Man armor etc Scorpion is not in his weight class anyway. Even Ock commented that Pete has never used his body's full potential, said something like "he must've been holding back all these years" and thats coming from a guy who's been fighting SM for years and watched him fight other supervillains including Scorpion.
Originally posted by SamZEDNah Smythe still has his human shit, it's the same with scorpion he just can't live without the technical parts anymore they keep them alive, but that doesn't mean he can live without his human parts.
Oh iforgot about that thanx. Smythe is basically a cyborg though
IIRC they even called the medics after the attack.
Originally posted by SamZED
The Wrecker is no some fodder asgardian, besides iirc Wolverne didnt hurt him all that bad, only several deep cuts and it is not the same as getting your jaw punched clean off.I dont remember that instance so cant say anything for sure. That said cant think of a reason to believe that Spider-man should break his hand punching his own clone.
Why not? Because it wouldnt make sense relatively to ordinary humans? Spider-man was always said to hold back even when fighting super villains. Remember how he sent Scorpion flying through the roof knocking him the F out with an uppercought? If THAT was a held back punch I dont have a problem with what Spider Ock did. Then there are feats like punching through Iron Man armor etc Scorpion is not in his weight class anyway. Even Ock commented that Pete has never used his body's full potential, said something like "he must've been holding back all these years" and thats coming from a guy who's been fighting SM for years and watched him fight other supervillains including Scorpion.
He is worse actually when you look at his near Gargan/Rhino lv jobbing "feats".
Wolverine injured him really bad in his own series, not New Avengers. Jaw basically sliced in pieces.
You misunderstood, I wasn't clear enough (thought you were familiar with that scene, my bad). A clone punched Parker and Peter revealed to him that if he hadn't rolled with that punch, he (clone) would've broken his hand.
It doesn't make sense because Scorpion is his physical superior, always has been. Stronger. Tougher. Mega-durable armor that at least partially covers his jaw should be a huge help, too.
He punched through a mask that he ripped off, no big feat if it got powered down. Armor's durability depends on being whole and fully operational (there are some issues that elaborate on that). So tearing it off is a feat, damaging it later is not. And Parker written by JMS was at his absolute peak.
Anyway, back to punching off Mac's jaw. Using "real life logic" it shouldn't have happened, but comic characters are often portrayed with greater strength than durability (as ridiculous as it is), so I guess it's nothing unusual... even though I'm shaking my head at it.
Not sure if you have seen the scan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThose are low showings imo, dont remember that other time, thought you were talking about the NA.
He is worse actually when you look at his near Gargan/Rhino lv jobbing "feats".Wolverine injured him really bad in his own series, not New Avengers. Jaw basically sliced in pieces.
You misunderstood, I wasn't clear enough (thought you were familiar with that scene, my bad). A clone punched Parker and Peter revealed to him that if he hadn't rolled with that punch, he (clone) would've broken his hand.
It doesn't make sense because Scorpion is his physical superior, always has been. Stronger. Tougher. Mega-durable armor that at least partially covers his jaw should be a huge help, too.
He punched through a mask that he ripped off, no big feat if it got powered down. Armor's durability depends on being whole and fully operational (there are some issues that elaborate on that). So tearing it off is a feat, damaging it later is not. And Parker written by JMS was at his absolute peak.
Anyway, back to punching off Mac's jaw. Using "real life logic" it shouldn't have happened, but comic characters are often portrayed with greater strength than durability (as ridiculous as it is), so I guess it's nothing unusual... even though I'm shaking my head at it.
Ah THAT clone. Iirc they were poorely executed amobinations so Parker mightve been telling the truth. Thought you were talking about Kain or at least Ben Reiley.
Scorpion is not stronger nor faster or more durable (minus the armor). He was meant to be originally I guess but it didnt last. Gargan never displayed anything on the level of CIS off Parker. If anything it was made clear that CIS is one thing stopping Spider-man from destroying him.
Iron Man armor is still Iron Man armor and is insanely durable. Not to mention Pete has damaged his armor on few other occasions as well when it was operational. Do you see Gargan pulling most of Spider-man's speed/strength feats?
We dont even know HOW durable Gargan is without the armor and it was made clear Ock punched the unprotected part (which seemed difficult using RL logic but like you said - its comics) so im ok with it.
Originally posted by SamZED
Those are low showings imo, dont remember that other time, thought you were talking about the NA.Ah THAT clone. Iirc they were poorely executed amobinations so Parker mightve been telling the truth. Thought you were talking about Kain or at least Ben Reiley.
Scorpion is not stronger nor faster or more durable (minus the armor). He was meant to be originally I guess but it didnt last. Gargan never displayed anything on the level of CIS off Parker. If anything it was made clear that CIS is one thing stopping Spider-man from destroying him.
Iron Man armor is still Iron Man armor and is insanely durable. Not to mention Pete has damaged his armor on few other occasions as well when it was operational. Do you see Gargan pulling most of Spider-man's speed/strength feats?
We dont even know HOW durable Gargan is without the armor and it was made clear Ock punched the unprotected part (which seemed difficult using RL logic but like you said - its comics) so im ok with it.
In the book that showed his typical week.
OK, that could explain it, I guess.
Spiderman kept beating him because of the superior skill/experience/smarts, Spider-Sense and the webs. Handbooks and cartoons always had Scorp as his physical superior like it was intended from the beginning, he's had some moments in comics too. But of course as a classic villain he always found a way to lose.
IM's armor is a titanium/gold mix (most often that is), it needs to be powered up and/or have a personal forcefield on to withstand serious attacks. But like I said he did manage to tear the mask off... only other incident I know is the black suit one (reeks of PIS).
If he wanted to punch the unprotected part, he should've done it with a straight punch and smashed it. "Taking it clean off" with a hook required breaking through his armor. Artist even contradicts Slott by showing us some flying pieces of shattered armor.
