Battle at Helm's Deep: Cloned Fellowship edition.

This is the Battle at Helm's Deep, except with no Gandalf rescuing everyone at the end.

There is also no fellowhip to help.

You are given command of the entire garrison. Then, a magic entity shows up and gives you a choice of cloning any single member of the Fellowship. The choices are:

1) 20 Gandalfs
2) 100 Legolas'
3) 200 Aragorns
4) 250 Gimlis
5) 400 Boromirs

Bear in mind, if you die in the defense, you die for real. So choose wisely!

I'd take 100 Legolas's.

100 of the best archer's in all the world, who can rapid fire arrows with pinpoint accuracy, and are almost as good in swordplay as Aragorn.

"Almost as good in swordplay as Aragorn"... Jesus Christ.

I'd go for the 400 Boromirs.

Legolas is faster, but Aragorn was pretty much shown to be the best of the three in melee combat. Unless I'm mistaken. I haven't seen the movies in years.

100 Legolas' would still all miss the suicide bomber.

I'll take the 400 Boromir's. That guy can solo whole platoons.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
100 Legolas' would still all miss the suicide bomber.

I'll take the 400 Boromir's. That guy can solo whole platoons.

Legolas didn't miss the bomber, he im twice and each hit was dead on just beside the guy's neck. Would normally kill a normal Uruk (such as when the first arrow was shot and hit an uruk just beside the neck) but the zerker musta been on something. 😛

Still, since the forum poster would be the one leading the defense, you'd have prior knowledge of the bomb and could take measures to defend against it.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
This is the Battle at Helm's Deep, except with no Gandalf rescuing everyone at the end.

There is also no fellowhip to help.

You are given command of the entire garrison. Then, a magic entity shows up and gives you a choice of cloning any single member of the Fellowship. The choices are:

1) 20 Gandalfs
2) 100 Legolas'
3) 200 Aragorns
4) 250 Gimlis
5) 400 Boromirs

Bear in mind, if you die in the defense, you die for real. So choose wisely!

Wait, so is this the 10,000 Uruk Hai vs. only one of the options given above? OR is it the Rohan defenders + Elven archers + one of the options you choose above (basically you replace Gandalf and the rescuing Rohirrim with one of the above)?

BTW, in the Two Towers EE, Gimli states he killed 43 Uruks in the night. 43 * 250 = 10,750 dead Orcs... Not to mention after watching the Hobbit, Dwarves seem to fight well together.

I would probably take the 400 Boromirs, each with sword and shield. The book seriously made him a demi-god; he was shot with 20 arrows and killed like 30-40 Orcs. The movie itself depicts him killing around 8? I think, but there was probably a lot more offscreen before he blew the Horn and while Aragorn was running towards him.

Anyway, all of this depends on the bomb. If we have prior knowledge of the bomb, then we could just move a boulder or something to block the culvert. If we don't have prior knowledge of the bomb, then it really depends on how many of the troops are killed in the explosion.

Originally posted by -kV-
Wait, so is this the 10,000 Uruk Hai vs. only one of the options given above? [B]OR is it the Rohan defenders + Elven archers + one of the options you choose above (basically you replace Gandalf and the rescuing Rohirrim with one of the above)?

BTW, in the Two Towers EE, Gimli states he killed 43 Uruks in the night. 43 * 250 = 10,750 dead Orcs... Not to mention after watching the Hobbit, Dwarves seem to fight well together.

I would probably take the 400 Boromirs, each with sword and shield. The book seriously made him a demi-god; he was shot with 20 arrows and killed like 30-40 Orcs. The movie itself depicts him killing around 8? I think, but there was probably a lot more offscreen before he blew the Horn and while Aragorn was running towards him.

Anyway, all of this depends on the bomb. If we have prior knowledge of the bomb, then we could just move a boulder or something to block the culvert. If we don't have prior knowledge of the bomb, then it really depends on how many of the troops are killed in the explosion. [/B]

You get Rohan defenders and the Elven reinforcements. No fellowship or Gandalf/cavalry coming tho.

You get prior knowledge of the bomb, so you can do something about it. This is movie "feats". No book showings allowed. 😛

Originally posted by KingD19
Legolas is faster, but Aragorn was pretty much shown to be the best of the three in melee combat. Unless I'm mistaken. I haven't seen the movies in years.

Best in melee? Legolas was untouchable in melee. Aragorn suffered his own close calls.

S'why I said unless I'm mistaken.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Best in melee? Legolas was untouchable in melee. Aragorn suffered his own close calls.

After seeing the Hobbit I'm either taking 20 Gandalfs or 400 Boromirs.

Seriously Boromir was probably the best Melee Fighter in the group, and continued to kill quite a few Uru-Kai even with arrows coming out of him.

400 of those guys would be difficult to beat in a fortified area.

Yeah. Boromir is a beast. 400 of him would be crazy.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Best in melee? Legolas was untouchable in melee. Aragorn suffered his own close calls.

lol

Gotta love Legolas fanboys. You do realize this is because Legolas engages in melee like once or twice. Anyway, in the end even Gimli gets more kills than him at Helm's Deep.

The fact that Legolas, even with his l33t bow, and uber knife skills, only tied Gimli, a freaking Dwarf... is pretty telling.

Boromir, alone--no army, defensive walls, or preparation, took on an entire platoon of Uruk-hai. Even near death he was kicking their ass. Give me 400 of that guy, we'll walk right in to Mordor.

Except none of them has the skills to take down that war mammoth like Legolas did. Also in the fight against the troll, only Legolas seemed like he wasn't in any serious trouble. He may not have had too many melee fights, but the once he was in were exceptional and would have been hard to duplicate by the others.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except none of them has the skills to take down that war mammoth like Legolas did. Also in the fight against the troll, only Legolas seemed like he wasn't in any serious trouble. He may not have had too many melee fights, but the once he was in were exceptional and would have been hard to duplicate by the others.

His melee fights were not any better than the others. The only trouble they would have had duplicating was the agility of the Elf, but Legolas wasn't as strong as gimili or as well rounded as Aragorn.

And Gimili tied Legolas in Helm's deep in kill count despite Legolas having a better range ability what should that tell you is that Legolas isn't as good in Melee as the others. Otherwise his kill count would have been higher since he had before the Uru-Kai's reached melee and during to gather kills.

Originally posted by Newjak
Seriously Boromir was probably the best Melee Fighter in the group, and continued to kill quite a few Uru-Kai even with arrows coming out of him.

Gandalf killed a Balrog in melee as well as one shotted a large troll on horseback. He'd be my bet for best melee fighter in the group.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except none of them has the skills to take down that war mammoth like Legolas did. Also in the fight against the troll, only Legolas seemed like he wasn't in any serious trouble. He may not have had too many melee fights, but the once he was in were exceptional and would have been hard to duplicate by the others.

Eh, how is climbing a Mumakil a feat for sword-mastery? No one is denying that Legolas is the most agile of the group, but being an exceptional climber does not mean his blade work is anyway comparable to Aragorn's or even Gimils.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except none of them has the skills to take down that war mammoth like Legolas did.

I don't know what Mumaks or Trolls have to do with the all-Uruk army at Helm's Deep though. The Super Archer with mad melee skills only tied the Dwarf. I'll take the Uruk cleaving badass x400 any day. Actually, given Legolas rather poor performance in that battle, I would take any of the other options. Well, maybe not the Gimlis...

As I see it a 100 more Legolas isn't needed, you already got the elven reinforcement, you need someone who can stand the ground on the wall for what seems like a eternity, and while I personally don't think that Boromir is better in a swordfight then Aragon, I still get 200 Boromirs more then I get Aragons. I think for that reason alone I'll go with Boromir, had I gotten 300 Aragons I would have nicked that one instead.

On another note, Gimli to me also seems like a good option simply based on how he performed on the wall, he was occupying two siege ladders by himself.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Gandalf killed a Balrog in melee as well as one shotted a large troll on horseback. He'd be my bet for best melee fighter in the group.

Well I don't really count Gandalf in any of these discussions otherwise he would be tops in everything he is a wizard afterall 😛

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, it's not like a young woman with a midget on a horse took down a Mumakil in a fraction of the time it took Legolas... that'd just be ridiculous.

I don't know what Mumaks or Trolls have to do with the all-Uruk army at Helm's Deep though. The Super Archer with mad melee skills only tied the Dwarf. I'll take the Uruk cleaving badass x400 any day. Actually, given Legolas rather poor performance in that battle, I would take any of the other options. Well, maybe not the Gimlis...