Originally posted by juggernaut74
Exactly. Reed said it was too late for the thrusters so Colossus stopped the crash and then the thrusters took over. And I'm certain Colossus carried a plane from the ocean floor back to the shore.
Originally posted by zopzop
WRONG. The THRUSTERS AND STABILIZERS were engaged BEFORE the ship made contact with Colossus. It's right there on panel. Jeezus.
They were engaged, but they weren't going to stop the ship from crashing.
They were only able to slow the ship, not stop it, so Colossus saved them by catching it.
Originally posted by ODG
How Champion is being overlooked here is baffling.
Champion is being overlooked because, unless someone can prove otherwise, his defeat of The Thing and other powerful contenders was due to his possession of the Power Gem of Infinity.
When Jen forced Champion to abide by the rules of sanctioned boxing competition, i.e. no outside aid, a rematch she trained for (much as people do normally for olympic style sporting events like boxing and :ahem: weightlifting), Jen took down Champion handily.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Colossus is stronger than Warpath and Rhino.
I'll accept that Colossus is stronger than Warpath because I know little about Warpath and you're generally pretty knowledgeable.
All I really have on HIM is heresay.
You're going to have to show me something to prove Colossus stronger than Rhino, though.
For I seriously doubt Petey has anything comparable to this ...
mmm mhmm
Worth pointing out: doing anything that causes Jen heightened emotion, adrenaline rushes, etcetera increases her strength to levels normally associated with her cousin.
Sometimes even beyond her cousin's ordinary depictions.
I remember a comic where Rhino was bouncing Bruce around for instance, but, here ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'll accept that Colossus is stronger than Warpath because I know little about Warpath and you're generally pretty knowledgeable.
At his absolute best, Warpath was described as having strength of teenage Colossus.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You're going to have to show me something to prove Colossus stronger than Rhino, though.
For I seriously doubt Petey has anything comparable to this ...
Yeah, Rhino/Colossus strength difference is debatable.
Modern Piotr is Class 100 (in handbooks at least), while Rhino was stated to be Class 85 in one of Spider-Man's books, though. Just my two cents.
The following guys and gals enter an olympic style weight lifting competition. In what order do they place?
Thread premise has altered a bit from what was implied in its original phrasing.
Also I saw 2 showings that were noteworthy and unexpected.
Lastly, P.R.'s statement gave me pause.
So, revisiting and placing anew from least contestant to strongest overall competitor:
Ares (Marvel) -- I have never seen this guy do anything that would even suggest he's capable of strength feats. Practically the only 3 things I know about him are that he has mythological ties to SOMEBODY in the Marvel U., that he was an axe-wielding member of the Dark Avengers, and that Voidtry gave him the same sad treatment given Carnage.
Warpath -- P.R.'s suggestion that this guy is not even as strong as Colossus places him down here.
Blob -- Despite having an awesome showing against the Hulk, it's hard to argue that Blob possesses true weightlifting strength. His power of being immovable when in contact with Earth skirts the territory characters like Graviton, Sebastian Shaw, and the DCU Legion's Light Lass inhabit. Lowering him down here is my recall of Spider-man stopping him by simply using a cartridge of webbing to immobilize him, a technique that doesn't seem likely even to stop Rogue nowadays.
Miss Marvel -- Gets the nod over Blob because I can't determine whether the Original Poster intends this to be the Carol Danvers Chris Claremont based Classic Rogue off of, or whether this is the seemingly more powerful "Binary" version of her.
Colossus -- Placed here not because I think he's any stronger than Binary, but because Rogue who had "Classic" Miss Marvel's powerset, deemed it wise to powersteal from him.
Also because Colossus managed, in Marvel Team Up #150, to rip Juggernaut's helmet off, a feat greater than Rogue managed while either unaided or unkissed against Jug herself.
Rhino -- Rhino's launching of Nova into orbit, as shown a post or couple ago, combined with Rhino's history of going toe-to-toe with Hulk, places him above Colossus, who has not until recently been shown having anything like the same luck with the likes of Big Green or Juggernaut.
Doc Samson -- Samson was placed here for being able to endure the full brunt of Mindless Hulk's stomp through the U.S. Southwest states.
It took nearly the entire roster of the East and West Coast Avengers to take Hulk down in that case, something anyone lower down this list would be REALLY hard pressed to do.
The University building-lifting and shaking feat firmly decided the matter, however. Control enough to do that and ACCURATELY direct two thugs to drop to the safe-catch of nearby trees???
If it's the first pure non-battle feat I've seen from Samson, it was worth it ...
5. Thundra -- Besides being a spar of the Thing, who several rated as the top contestant, Thundra also subdued her daughter Lyra, the "other" She-Hulk wandering around the Marvel U, despite Lyra being the daughter of you-know-who. Thundra gets downgraded for having the bad luck of having to demonstrate her force against a Thing who happened to be injured, however, and the consideration that Lyra, quite unlike other Hulks, actually WEAKENS somewhat when she gets uncontrollably angry.
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4. Champion -- Placed here mainly because others seem to hold him in high regard and seem to think there is valid reason for doing so. Main deficit is that the accomplishment he is most known for, beating a string of the most powerful heroes in one-on-one ring fighting matches, was accomplished with the aid of a gem so powerful that it enabled a human-level incarnation of Jen Walters to knock out Titania.
Perhaps the best suggestion that could be made is that Jen may have felt it necessary to continue training even after realizing the Power Gem was the main key to Champion's previous success?
3. Thing -- FAMOUS spar of the Hulk and favorite of a multitude.
Doesn't have the dynamic strength of a Hulk-character like Jen however, who can literally override strength limitations at a moment's notice just by allowing herself to get excited, annoyed, or angry.
85 ton scan would convince save for 3 things
a) Jen has lifted heavier
b) Ben frequently puts on "fronts" where he pretends, even to himself, that he can accomplish more than he is actually able
c) Jen has demonstrated several times in the past that she is willing to "throw" a match to protect the feelings of others (SHE-Thing and Hercules come to mind now)
2. She Hulk
Jen versus Ben might be about the closest thing to an even strength split I've seen on these forums to date. Still got to give it to Jen for the reasons listed above, personally, but I can certainly see the case for the other side.
As long as we are NOT actually going with the premise implied by the original post of this thread, i.e. that these people are acting like normal participants in such a contest, which would mean training self deliberately over a period of perhaps a few weeks to give self the best chance of actually winning the contest.
Jen wins THAT contest easily, as she won the markedly parallel case of the Champion years ago.
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1. She Rulk -- Consistently matches against competition that would steamroll Ben OR Jen. Namely her own father, Red Hulk, Jen and Lyra in combination, and Hulk in the most powerful incarnations Greg Pak could put to page.
I seem to remember Betty even displaying a "detonation" or two from her punches in one or more adventures, which Jen could only produce at the high-level AFTER-training state her Jupiter suit was introduced to contain. And yes she did punch and rip her way through solid steel and another dimension, apparently completely unamped, to give the Avengers the scare of their lives ...
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Originally posted by zopzop
This isn't a fight "VS" thread, it's a weightlifting "VS" thread. On panel lifting feats are the only ones that count here.So on panel, she's held up a bridge? What was the size of it? Got any scans?
I just checked the issue and she destroyed a section of a bridge I remembered it wrong my bad. Thing or Samson may have the best lifting feats but we know Betty is stronger than both.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Says who? Vs fights are often the best way to gauge strength levels. Relying solely on lifting feats as you are doing effectively removes half of the participants from the thread, plus feats in themselves are often inconsistent rendering your list inaccurate to say the least. We aren't debating Anderson Silva, we're talking about fictional characters who strength levels can be roughly determined by their performances against each other and are regularly depicted as being super strong through pure punching power alone. Thanos is a great example of this.I just checked the issue and she destroyed a section of a bridge I remembered it wrong my bad. Thing or Samson may have the best lifting feats but we [b]know
Betty is stronger than both. [/B]
Beating someone up isn't the same as lifting a heavyweight. Going by your "logic" Alistair Overeem would win the World's Strongest Man competition because he could beat up any of it's participants.
Originally posted by zopzop
How do we KNOW she's stronger?Beating someone up isn't the same as lifting a heavyweight. Going by your "logic" Alistair Overeem would win the World's Strongest Man competition because he could beat up any of it's participants.
Comics =/= real life brah.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Comics =/= real life brah.
Even if you want to use real life, you can still make the case against "on-panel" feats being the only way to gauge
or predict how a person would do in a sporting event,
even a lifting event, against a group of near-peers.
Take a look at some portion of the following clip, posted at the end of this particular post.
(I recommend the 5:55 point on to the 7:55 completion).
Note that you do NOT see any actual lifting in this video.
But does anyone doubt the woman in the following video would be able to outcurl probably half the people on this forum JUST because we don't actually witness her doing what she's merely describing?
There are more than enough cues for the average person to snap to and realize "Yep. Realistically, in weightlifting exercises X, Y, and Z, this woman would take me and/or the following of my friends ..."
Similarly, we've see enough from Betty Banner to realize that, if she's putting her mind to actually doing it, there's very little chance Thing could hope to match her in hoisting her weight max.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_1B7-LFmms
(Margie Ciaccio 7 min 55 sec)
Stumbled across the following due to that Margie Ciaccio video.
Obviously, unless you find the first 3 minutes or so fascinating, or some image you find via skipping around catches your eye, DON'T watch the entire clip.
Point? The girl would gain considerable strength benefits simply from matching in certain ways against the big guy, with or without formal weightlifting supplementing her training.
If it WERE the case (I don't imagine for a second that it is, of course) that the girl were actually able to take and/or match this man while he was giving it his best effort, it could reasonably be predicted that she would be able to curl a weight comparable to him.
In other words, a person doesn't have to formally train at lifting olympic weights to be (or eventually become) strong enough to lift weights.
There are other exercises that can be used to simulate the effect, and other indicators that can be looked at to gauge or predict how they'd most likely do.
Training of Armwrestling #47 - Trening with Marlena Wawrzyniak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5_Yfb9N24
(marlena wawrzyniak 29 min 48 sec)
Kandorians, DC.
KandArians, Marvel.
Hard to believe as few lawsuits got traded between these two companies as actually have ...
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