Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Thug or not folding a full grown man outclasses any strength feat boyka has done. Kham has also shown the ability to adapt quickly to these skilled opponentsAnd the only skilled people kham fought had some sort of advantage besides johhny and pray.
Sword guy and guy damn near 3 times his size
The capoeria guy was never outright beating khams ass
And he was only trying to interrogate johhnyAnd boyka was getting his ass kicked by iceman who is almost exclusivly a puncher what makes you think kham wouldn't do far better than iceman.
Iceman did not defeat Boyka by just "exclusively punching". He had to learn how to grapple and get some ground work to be able to beat Boyka. A skill that Kham has not shown any proficiency at. Again I ask, what's Kham going to do if Boyka takes him to the ground?
And before you say something like "Boyka's not going to be able take him down before Kham starts snapping his bones", well I ask you, if Kham was so proficient at bone snapping, why was he unable to do it against the capoiera and wushu guy? Answer, because he can't easily do it against skilled opponents... and Boyka is more skilled than those two.
As for him taking on and "folding" those 20 something guys, I'd like you to rewatch that video. The skill of those guys are seriously questionable. At the start of the fight Kham pushes away the first 5 or so guys... and they get knocked out by him just "pushing" them. I mean cmon, even I can get up immediately after being pushed.
As for him taking on multiple hits, he gets kicked in the face once and never again hit in the face. Basically just gets kicked in the front and back and a few in the neck. Granted, in real life that could be enough to land you in a hospital, but movie-wise it isn't that impressive really. Guy wasn't even bleading in the face. Boyka on the other hand took multiple blows to the face from Iceman, got his face busted up, and still got back to his feet ready to fight. He got the crap kicked out of him by the Columbian with hits that would laugh at any that Kham received.
Fact is, Boyka fought men who were bigger, meaner, and more skilled than any Kham has faced. Beating on 20 or so thugs who get knocked out by being pushed is not that great a showing. Besides, it's not like all 20 guys charged him at once. Watch the vid again, they each approach him one at a time.
Tanking a stab wound though is impressive. Still, it's about as impressive as Boyka's injured knee nearly getting broken again but still using it to shatter his opponent's knee (Undisputed 3).
I'm not saying that Kham's fights aren't impressive, just saying that comparing the two side by side you'll see that Boyka has survived heavier hits from stronger hitting opponents as well as fought and beaten more skilled opponents.
The only skilled opponent Kham ever faced who was near Boyka's size was the capoeira guy, and that guy gave kham some trouble. Boyka on the other hand has always competed against guys with similar size and skill, or even bigger.
The wushu guy that Kham fought was skilled but not big. The giant wrestler was big, but not skilled.
Another thing I noticed when Kham fights skilled opponents is that he takes time before he figures out how his opponents fight before he finally beats them. You see this in his fight vs. Johnny and the Capoeira guy. Both guys had him in trouble in the first few moments of the fight (johnny even had him knocked down and stunned) before he figured out their fighting style. Thing is, both Johnny and the capoeira guy could have easily capitalized on him while he was on the ground but instead took the time to either dance around (capoeira guy) or turn his back and boast to his friends (Johnny). If that was Boyka, as soon as Kham is on the ground he'd be on him and putting him in submission locks. What's he gonna do then?
Originally posted by FrothByteThere it is again.
Iceman did not defeat Boyka by just "exclusively punching". He had to learn how to grapple and get some ground work to be able to beat Boyka. A skill that Kham has not shown any proficiency at. Again I ask, what's Kham going to do if Boyka takes him to the ground?And before you say something like "Boyka's not going to be able take him down before Kham starts snapping his bones", well I ask you, if Kham was so proficient at bone snapping, why was he unable to do it against the capoiera and wushu guy? Answer, because he can't easily do it against skilled opponents... and Boyka is more skilled than those two.
As for him taking on and "folding" those 20 something guys, I'd like you to rewatch that video. The skill of those guys are seriously questionable. At the start of the fight Kham pushes away the first 5 or so guys... and they get knocked out by him just "pushing" them. I mean cmon, even I can get up immediately after being pushed.
As for him taking on multiple hits, he gets kicked in the face once and never again hit in the face. Basically just gets kicked in the front and back and a few in the neck. Granted, in real life that could be enough to land you in a hospital, but movie-wise it isn't that impressive really. Guy wasn't even bleading in the face. Boyka on the other hand took multiple blows to the face from Iceman, got his face busted up, and still got back to his feet ready to fight. He got the crap kicked out of him by the Columbian with hits that would laugh at any that Kham received.
Fact is, Boyka fought men who were bigger, meaner, and more skilled than any Kham has faced. Beating on 20 or so thugs who get knocked out by being pushed is not that great a showing. Besides, it's not like all 20 guys charged him at once. Watch the vid again, they each approach him one at a time.
Tanking a stab wound though is impressive. Still, it's about as impressive as Boyka's injured knee nearly getting broken again but still using it to shatter his opponent's knee (Undisputed 3).
I'm not saying that Kham's fights aren't impressive, just saying that comparing the two side by side you'll see that Boyka has survived heavier hits from stronger hitting opponents as well as fought and beaten more skilled opponents.
The only skilled opponent Kham ever faced who was near Boyka's size was the capoeira guy, and that guy gave kham some trouble. Boyka on the other hand has always competed against guys with similar size and skill, or even bigger.
The wushu guy that Kham fought was skilled but not big. The giant wrestler was big, but not skilled.
Another thing I noticed when Kham fights skilled opponents is that he takes time before he figures out how his opponents fight before he finally beats them. You see this in his fight vs. Johnny and the Capoeira guy. Both guys had him in trouble in the first few moments of the fight (johnny even had him knocked down and stunned) before he figured out their fighting style. Thing is, both Johnny and the capoeira guy could have easily capitalized on him while he was on the ground but instead took the time to either dance around (capoeira guy) or turn his back and boast to his friends (Johnny). If that was Boyka, as soon as Kham is on the ground he'd be on him and putting him in submission locks. What's he gonna do then?