Rune King Thor/ WBH/ Thanos vs Superman Prime/ Amazo/ HP Doomsday

Started by zopzop5 pages

Originally posted by NemeBro
Huh.

I was going to type up a refutation, but something occurred to me.

The comic makes it very clear that the energy inside Monarch is very violent, struggling to escape, and when his suit is ruptured, it does, and he goes boom.

To tear open his suit, wouldn't Superman Prime theoretically need to possess physical power exceeding that of the energy of the Big Bang?

I can't recall, has anyone else breeched the suit?


You're looking at it from a 'strength feat" PoV. I'm looking at it from a 'durability' PoV. That's what impressed me most about it. Team 1 COMBINED simply isn't capable of that kind of power output. So if a weakening SMP can survive a blast like that, what chance does Team 1 have if he starts the fight fresh?

Originally posted by zopzop
You're looking at it from a 'strength feat" PoV. I'm looking at it from a 'durability' PoV. That's what impressed me most about it. Team 1 COMBINED simply isn't capable of that kind of power output. So if a weakening SMP can survive a blast like that, what chance does Team 1 have if he starts the fight fresh?
That blast didn't have the same effect as a pure force blast. He was transported through time. The Monitor tanked it straight up though.

Thor or Thanos beat Prime.

😂

Is this an adult Superboy Prime or is this Superman Prime the leader of the future Superman foundation or whatever?

If it's the kid then team 1. If it's the latter then team 2.

Originally posted by zopzop
The guy that was containing universe busting energies. RKT isn't matching that kind of power.

Seeing how Odin easily handled universe burning energies without so much as breaking a sweat, along with the fact that RKT is leaps and bounds beyond Odin in terms of raw power, I'd say he is certainly capable of matching that kind of power.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Seeing as Amazo has copied The Worlogog (and got the better of HM 1M from time to time), I think it's safe that he can copy Thor right off the bat.

Seeing how RKT's nigh omniscient, it's safe to say that he would decapitate and make a trophy out of Amazo before the bat has even been swung.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos team wins, easily.

Lol at calling it thanos's team.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Seeing how RKT's nigh omniscient, it's safe to say that he would decapitate and make a trophy out of Amazo before the bat has even been swung.

A warloggog user is omniscient by default. Near-omniscient wouldn't cut it when it couldn't help hourman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A warloggog user is omniscient by default. Near-omniscient wouldn't cut it when it couldn't help hourman.

And Amazo has the Worlogogg as part of his standard equipment? Anyways, I was playing safe with the semantics when I called him nigh-omniscient. His feats and portrayal indicate he was truly omniscient by comic book standards. His omniscience was after all a big part of his victory against Those Sit Above.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And Amazo has the Worlogogg as part of his standard equipment? Anyways, I was playing safe with the semantics when I called him nigh-omniscient. His feats and portrayal indicate he was truly omniscient by comic book standards. His omniscience was after all a big part of his victory against Those Sit Above.

If a truly omni-scient being like a warloggog user can't do something to resist amazo copying his power, thor isn't going to do anything. Everything else you mentioned is a conjecture on your part. RKT was nigh-omniscient on a high level skyfather-elder god level. A worloggog user is several step above that level. Not that hard to understand.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Seeing how Odin easily handled universe burning energies without so much as breaking a sweat, along with the fact that RKT is leaps and bounds beyond Odin in terms of raw power, I'd say he is certainly capable of matching that kind of power.

He gated it out to another dimension. SMP took a Big Bang blast to the face while weakened.

Not the same thing.

Originally posted by zopzop
He gated it out to another dimension. SMP took a Big Bang blast to the face while weakened.

Not the same thing.


He easily manipulated it which is the main point. RKT is far beyond Odin, and him having that kind of power is not a stretch of imagination.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If a truly omni-scient being like a warloggog user can't do something to resist amazo copying his power, thor isn't going to do anything. Everything else you mentioned is a conjecture on your part. RKT was nigh-omniscient on a high level skyfather-elder god level. A worloggog user is several step above that level. Not that hard to understand.

When has he utilized his omniscience in combat? Was he aware of what Amazo was going to do? I said before, and I'll say it again, I was playing safe with the semantics when I called RKT "nigh omniscient". His feats indicate true omniscience from a comic book perspective. No conjecture needed when RKT has actual feats in that department.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He easily manipulated it which is the main point. RKT is far beyond Odin, and him having that kind of power is not a stretch of imagination.

He was just shunting it into another dimension. He wasn't tanking it or absorbing it in any way.

It's like when Binary created that massive white hole in the Sun to shunt all the anti-matter out of it. She wasn't doing anything to it except bfring it. Same as Odin.

Originally posted by zopzop
He was just shunting it into another dimension. He wasn't tanking it or absorbing it in any way.

It's like when Binary created that massive white hole in the Sun to shunt all the anti-matter out of it. She wasn't doing anything to it except bfring it. Same as Odin.


He was directly rerouting it under his own power and didn't seem to be in any discomfort whatsoever while doing so. But even then, seeing how he's a confirmed multi-galaxy buster and a subuniversal power along with the fact that RKT was on a whole other level compared to him, I fail to see why this version of Thor won't be capable of wielding universal scale power.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He was directly rerouting it under his own power and didn't seem to be in any discomfort whatsoever while doing so. But even then, seeing how he's a confirmed multi-galaxy buster and a subuniversal power along with the fact that RKT was on a whole other level compared to him, I fail to see why this version of Thor won't be capable of wielding universal scale power.

You understand that despite people being called "universe busters", actual universe busting is VERY rare? Well Monarch busted an entire universe killing even godlike beings that were too slow to escape it and it was displayed on panel. A WEAKENED SMP survived that.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He easily manipulated it which is the main point. RKT is far beyond Odin, and him having that kind of power is not a stretch of imagination.

When has he utilized his omniscience in combat? Was he aware of what Amazo was going to do? I said before, and I'll say it again, I was playing safe with the semantics when I called RKT "nigh omniscient". His feats indicate true omniscience from a comic book perspective. No conjecture needed when RKT has actual feats in that department.


Being omniscient means knowing everything. It doesn't matter being used in combat or not which ironically RKT never did. He just figured out some random dudes sitting in another dimension. Here alan mention how extant with an incomplete warloggog is omniscient. Also odin manipulating a fire which can burn down universe by chain reaction aka otherworld doesn't makes him a universe-buster. People far below in power have better feats than that, Damgae absorbed enough power to re-create a big bang in zero hour. Does that makes him superior to odin?

Originally posted by zopzop
You understand that despite people being called "universe busters", actual universe busting is VERY rare? Well Monarch busted an entire universe killing even godlike beings that were too slow to escape it and it was displayed on panel. A WEAKENED SMP survived that.

How is that relevant? Monarch performing that kind of feat is cool and all, a supposedly weakened Prime surviving it is cool and all(even though the lesser showings of another weakened SBP make me think this was massive PIS), but RKT not being able to produce or wield that kind of power despite him having every right to do so based on power-scaling, feats and what not is a fairly ludicrous idea.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He was directly rerouting it under his own power and didn't seem to be in any discomfort whatsoever while doing so. But even then, seeing how he's a confirmed multi-galaxy buster and a subuniversal power along with the fact that RKT was on a whole other level compared to him, I fail to see why this version of Thor won't be capable of wielding universal scale power.

Being above in power as by statement doesn't mean we take a character's highest feat and apply it to the superior character, that's like saying since surfer conceded mjolnir>power cosmic and he blew Rune/w IG's hand off mjolnir is capable of that too. Feat transfer is not allowed here. The writer of that arc aka Dan Jurgens wrote skyfathers as planetary level beings. Argue with RKT's actual showings not with Odin's highest showings and applying them on RKT. If I start doing with that via SBP>superman, you wouldn't like the outcome.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Being omniscient means knowing everything. It doesn't matter being used in combat or not which ironically RKT never did. He just figured out some random dudes sitting in another dimension. Here alan mention how extant with an incomplete warloggog is omniscient. Also odin manipulating a fire which can burn down universe by chain reaction aka otherworld doesn't makes him a universe-buster. People far below in power have better feats than that, Damgae absorbed enough power to re-create a big bang in zero hour. Does that makes him superior to odin?

So you don't have any feats of him utilizing omniscience in combat?

It would have burnt down the multiverse via Otherworld. It was a universe destroying force at minimum, straight and simple.

RKT having power universal in scope is not an exaggeration by any means at all.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
How is that relevant? Monarch performing that kind of feat is cool and all, a supposedly weakened Prime surviving it is cool and all(even though the lesser showings of another weakened SBP make me think this was massive PIS), but RKT not being able to produce or wield that kind of power despite him having every right to do so based on power-scaling, feats and what not is a fairly ludicrous idea.

It's not ridiculous at all. Seeing as how actual/ on panel/ proven universe busting power is rare as hell.

I still can't believe a) Monarch had that kind of power in him and b) a weakening GA SMP survived it point blank (while the rest of the universe was annihilated).