Originally posted by golem370Lol looking at that scan Cap has no fighting skills whatsoever. Who the fcuk throws a punch like that?
Good striking feat http://imageshack.us/a/img247/7416/capownskreelg4.jpg
Originally posted by DTMCap isn't as smart as Reed Richards either, and Slade is smarter than Reed when it comes to combat tactics and battles, not science.
Well thats more mental processing speed over general intelligence. Slade can certain think faster than Reed Richards, but hes no where near as smart as Reed is (which is why I picked Cap for the slight edge in intelligence on this chart here).
Originally posted by Daredevil1Cap got outsmarted by Cyclops in AvX...seriously I've read hundreds of comics with Cap and I've never seen any impressive intelligence feats.
Cap brain is enhanced as well can learn super fast and can lead teams to defeat Cosmic Cube Carriers.Recently his will blocked telepaths.
Will power has nothing to do with intelligence either, by that logic Hal Jordan would be smarter than Reed Richards
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Cap got outsmarted by Cyclops in AvX...seriously I've read hundreds of comics with Cap and I've never seen any impressive intelligence feats.Will power has nothing to do with intelligence either, by that logic Hal Jordan would be smarter than Reed Richards
By that logic Slade got outwitted/Outsmarted by Robin and at other times Batman.
I've never seen impressive intelligent feats to be smarter then Reed Richards for Slade either.
Slade might use Prep weapons better but Cap uses teams better. Cap also has outsmarted Cyclops in AvX.
As for being Super Smart Beast said Cap is a super soldier that can master any new weapon in seconds.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Robin has better intelligence feats than Cap or Cyclops do.
By that logic Slade got outwitted/Outsmarted by Robin and at other times Batman.I've never seen impressive intelligent feats to be smarter then Reed Richards for Slade either.
Slade might use Prep weapons better but Cap uses teams better. Cap also has outsmarted Cyclops in AvX.
As for being Super Smart Beast said Cap is a super soldier that can master any new weapon in seconds.
Batman has never outsmarted Deathstroke and even if he did, Batman is so far above Cyclops and Captain America that it doesn't help your argument at all.
You've never seen any impressive science feats to show Slade is smarter than Reed because there aren't any, Slade doesn't have science feats. Slade has better battle intelligence feats than Reed does and if you think otherwise it just shows you haven't read much Deathstroke
Cap uses team betters? Good for him, it isn't relevant in a one on one fight, Slade's intelligence is.
Again, just like his willpower, Cap's ability to master weapons has little to do with intelligence. Batman isn't a super soldier and he was able to do that in Superman/Batman when they were fighting the Doomsday clones.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Robin has better intelligence feats than Cap or Cyclops do.Batman has never outsmarted Deathstroke and even if he did, Batman is so far above Cyclops and Captain America that it doesn't help your argument at all.
You've never seen any impressive science feats to show Slade is smarter than Reed because there aren't any, Slade doesn't have science feats. Slade has better battle intelligence feats than Reed does and if you think otherwise it just shows you haven't read much Deathstroke
Cap uses team betters? Good for him, it isn't relevant in a one on one fight, Slade's intelligence is.
Again, just like his willpower, Cap's ability to master weapons has little to do with intelligence. Batman isn't a super soldier and he was able to do that in Superman/Batman when they were fighting the Doomsday clones.
Fact of the matter is Cap is a military genius when it comes to combat/warfare.
The guy wins its what what he does. In a one on one fight combat is what he also does.
You can assume Slade is better but I disagree and view them close to one another. Plus Cap has stated he practically has a total recall since his memory is also enhanced.
Slade also gets this type of benefit since his brain is boosted as well.
With Cap your just looking at the other side of the coin.
Originally posted by Daredevil1Cap isn't a military genius or a genius when it comes to combat and warfare either, where are you getting this from O_o
Fact of the matter is Cap is a military genius when it comes to combat/warfare.The guy wins its what what he does. In a one on one fight combat is what he also does.
You can assume Slade is better but I disagree and view them close to one another. Plus Cap has stated he practically has a total recall since his memory is also enhanced.
Slade also gets this type of benefit since his brain is boosted as well.
With Cap your just looking at the other side of the coin.
The guy wins? It's what he does? That's what everyone does...what kind of logic are you using? That is one of the worst arguments and generalizations I've ever heard.
I don't assume Slade is better, I know he is because he has better feats. Cap is only above average when it comes to leading teams. when it comes to one on one he's mediocre, no better than other human combatants and no where near the caliber of Slade and Bruce.
And it's hilarious how much praise you're giving Cap when he let Punisher make the plans to enter Stark Towers in Civil War...enhanced intelliect, military genius and master of combat and warfare...yet allows a rogue murderous vigilante make the game plan and goes along with it...yeah that makes total sense 😂
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
Cap isn't a military genius or a genius when it comes to combat and warfare either, where are you getting this from O_oThe guy wins? It's what he does? That's what everyone does...what kind of logic are you using? That is one of the worst arguments and generalizations I've ever heard.
I don't assume Slade is better, I know he is because he has better feats. Cap is only above average when it comes to leading teams. when it comes to one on one he's mediocre, no better than other human combatants and no where near the caliber of Slade and Bruce.
And it's hilarious how much praise you're giving Cap when he let Punisher make the plans to enter Stark Towers in Civil War...enhanced intelliect, military genius and master of combat and warfare...yet allows a rogue murderous vigilante make the game plan and goes along with it...yeah that makes total sense 😂
LOL you target Cap's mistakes and yet even NW strategy to evade Slade to even get away from him when he was a kid...LOL.
Such a strategist. Seems to me you just target Cap low ends and ignore everything else. I could do the same to Slade.
Cap had Civil War won since you cite that a lot. The only thing that got in the way was his principles as he was hammering down at Ironman with his shield and then the civilians stopped him.
Cap assembled a galactic federation type army for prep against Korvac with cube. Many times when he won Korvac just resset time to restart the whole thing with the cube.
Hell the only time Slade looks good is when he has PIS like the JLA example. Because no offense you have not mentioned any of these great feats that Slade did.
Originally posted by Daredevil1The problem with your argument is that Cap doesn't have any high end showings to offset his low one's. Slade has plenty to justify that being a low showing. Maybe if Cap had some actual feats that were impressive when it comes to intelligence you might have a leg to stand on.
LOL you target Cap's mistakes and yet even NW strategy to evade Slade to even get away from him when he was a kid...LOL.Such a strategist. Seems to me you just target Cap low ends and ignore everything else. I could do the same to Slade.
Cap had Civil War won since you cite that a lot. The only thing that got in the way was his principles as he was hammering down at Ironman with his shield and then the civilians stopped him.
Cap assembled a galactic federation type army for prep against Korvac with cube. Many times when he won Korvac just resset time to restart the whole thing with the cube.
Hell the only time Slade looks good is when he has PIS like the JLA example. Because no offense you have not mentioned any of these great feats that Slade did.
There was no PIS in Identity Crisis either, the two characters he prepped primarly for were Flash and GL, Flash was easy to take out because Slade could predict his patterns since he's been fighting Wally since he was Kid Flash in the original Titans.
GL was a case of CIS. It wasn't PIS on Slade's part, it was CIS on Kyle's part for trying to punch Slade instead of using his ring properly
Flash and GL Aside you still have Ray Palmer who has a Hank Pym/Reed Richard level intellect, you had GA, Canary, Hawkman, Zatanna and Plastic Man. Zatanna was a no brainer, she has no superhuman stats and needed to be taken out.
So remind me again, what feat does Cap have to put himself anywhere near this level? Oh that's right, he doesn't have any..My bad 😆
Did you just say Cap had Civil War won? Please tell me you're joking with that? Besides the fact that Castle got them into Stark Tower, lets look at some of times Cap nearly bit he dust before getting bailed out, in Heroes for Hire CW, Paladin ambushed Cap and took out nearly his entire team until Shang Chi beat him down. Cap got saved by Shang.
In another example when he fought Spiderman he had to leave his shield behind and Spiderman returned it to him out of respect
So yeah, Cap had Civil War won, despite the fact that someone else made the game plan, someone else saved him from Paladin, and someone had to return his weapon which he had to abandon. What an amazing tactical mastermind Cap is 😆 😆 😆
LOL this seriously shows you don't know what you are talking about.
Cap played possum against Paladin and held his breath against Paladin. That was even explained later on during the next issue or at the end of that one.
Plus IIRC they got the better of Slade anyways despite the job fest. Geez that seems to happen a lot even Roy Harper and his team one uped Slade. It wasn't pretty.
Punisher didn't aid Cap against his battle with Ironman in Civil War. They were trying something new with Punisher and he was a failed project anyways from his methods.
Pretending that JLA scene is superior to Cap's feats is just without any real substance. Slade looked helpless at the end of that encounter, and he had to be saved during the Roy Harper.
He had to return Steve's weapon so what. I could easily say Slade let a kid get the better of him by escaping him.
What a genius.....LOL.
The fact of the matter is Cap and Slade are very close to one another in this "area". You just can't see it since you are some what biased.
"Cap played possum against Paladin and held his breath against Paladin. That was even explained later on during the next issue or at the end of that one."
Dafuq you talking bout?
They were all down at the end of Heroes for Hire #2, no where in Heroes for Hire #3 did it state Cap played possum, I even checked. It showed in #3 Shang beating the crap out of Paladin then using his gas mask to save Cap. Then they turned on the vents and sucked the gas out
He never played possum, he got saved by Shang, end of story
"Plus IIRC they got the better of Slade anyways despite the job fest. Geez that seems to happen a lot even Roy Harper and his team one uped Slade. It wasn't pretty"
Yeah, it took a group of heroes to dogpile Slade to take him down, it took one Paladin to take down Cap and the HFH before Shang saved him. Who comes out looking worse here? Here's a hint, it's Cap
What Roy Harper instance are you talking about? If you're referring to Villains for Hire I am going to have a field day with you.
"Punisher didn't aid Cap against his battle with Ironman in Civil War. They were trying something new with Punisher and he was a failed project anyways from his methods."
Irrelevant, even if Punisher's plan was a failure it was Cap's fault for going along with it anyway. If anything Punisher is better with prep and smarter than Cap is and Cap followed along like a lost dog and suffered the consequences for it. If Punisher's plan failed, then Cap's would of also since he apparently didn't have enough confidence and needed to let a murderous vigilante call the shots.
"Pretending that JLA scene is superior to Cap's feats is just without any real substance. Slade looked helpless at the end of that encounter, and he had to be saved during the Roy Harper"
What in the holy hell are you talking about? Dr Light and Slade bailed after the Identity Crisis fight, Arsenal wasn't even there. The only time Slade and Arsenal were in a fight was Villains for Hire.
No one is pretending, that is an actual fact and you haven't named a single Cap feat to show otherwise. In fact I've shown three of instances in the same story that outside of leading teams Cap is a mediocre intellect.
"He had to return Steve's weapon so what. I could easily say Slade let a kid get the better of him by escaping him."
You could say it and it would make you look even worst. Robin lost the fight by retreating, Cap retreated in Civil War and lost his shield.
Spiderman didn';t have to return his shield either, he could of sold the damn thing on Craigslist if he wanted to, Cap was at the mercy of someone elses respect and if Spiderman didn't return the shield, Cap would of went into that all mighty battle with Iron Man that you keep bringing up without his precious shield and would of gotten stomped even worse
Again, guess who comes out looking worse, here's another hit, it's the guy dressed in red white and blue
"The fact of the matter is Cap and Slade are very close to one another in this "area". You just can't see it since you are some what biased."
Only in your little fanboy dreams, but here in the real world we look at facts, and the only fact here is that Cap doesn't have a single feat to his name that puts him on Slade's level.
You call it bias, but in truth it's called being educated, maybe you should try it sometimes.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
"Cap played possum against Paladin and held his breath against Paladin. That was even explained later on during the next issue or at the end of that one."Dafuq you talking bout?
They were all down at the end of Heroes for Hire #2, no where in Heroes for Hire #3 did it state Cap played possum, I even checked. It showed in #3 Shang beating the crap out of Paladin then using his gas mask to save Cap. Then they turned on the vents and sucked the gas out
He never played possum, he got saved by Shang, end of story
You call it bias, but in truth it's called being educated, maybe you should try it sometimes.
Right. Did you miss the scene were Shang asks Cap if he trusts him?
And did you miss this page. Next you will try to belittle Cap for going along with Shang's idea.....LOL. But this at least shows how wrong you are. Free education for you there. 🙂
Bias yeah.... you seem to be. So much for Paladin stomping Cap the way you are promoting it. Context. Your quite the liar.
It doesn't really matter, he was still saved by Shang..
Even if it was a plan orchestrated by Shang and Cap, he still needed Shang to sneak up behind Paladin and beat him down.
No Shang = Cap getting owned by Paladin
You aren't making a very good case for yourself.
And you're really one to talk considering you said Roy Harper saved Slade when he fought the JLA
Worse case scenario, I made a mistake, you've made several. Cap still needed someone to save him. Dr Light and Slade escaped from a team that had a Flash and a Green Lantern on it, Cap had a team and couldn't beat Paladin who's a mid tier street leveler at best, on his own.
My point still stands, nice try though
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
No Shang = Cap getting owned by Paladin
Sure he was liar.
He was only saved by Shang because he went with his plan. Thus him losing had context.
Nice try...liar.
You've been caught. And you still try to use that scene as a straight up ownage. No dice. You have been discredited for even after the evidence you try to dismiss it.
