Originally posted by ThereIsHope
How did Superman get past the protective aura so easily? Im not saying its not possible, BUT im saying that the writers may have made it to easy.
I question the aura thing as well but the speed is what really makes me re think things. Bizarro wouldn't try to take the ring off anyway but even with the aura/auto shields at the speed how many devastating hits could a blood lusted bizarro throw out?I doubt cap never mind how great his reflexes might be will block them all with his shield or even know he is hit until it's done.
Originally posted by Daredevil1The Nova Force is nothing like a ring, and for the 800th time being proficient with a weapon doesn't equate being proficient with a ring that requires a tremendous amount of willpower to use.
As for the ring considering that Cap used the Nova Force pretty well on the first try.And Kangs future tech fight simulation which was stated to take other warriors decades to master and Cap did that much better on the first try.
To masters weapons on the fly, its really not a stretch that he would do so well with a ring. Given how well he can also adapt to a situation.
Cap doesn't have the willpower to use a ring proficiently to a degree that would stop Bizzaro from snapping his neck
Even if he had years of training at the very best Cap may be able to create a spark, when Green Arrow tried using a ring he ended up comatose for a week, Cap won't fare any better
Originally posted by SevenShacklesExactly, idiots seem to think that Kilowag will train Cap to the point where he can create shields that would stop a blood lusted Bizzaro from killing him, even though 24 hours isn't much time and Cap doesn't even have proficient willpower to utilize a ring effectively, the Captain America wank on this forum is mind boggling.
I question the aura thing as well but the speed is what really makes me re think things. Bizarro wouldn't try to take the ring off anyway but even with the aura/auto shields at the speed how many devastating hits could a blood lusted bizarro throw out?I doubt cap never mind how great his reflexes might be will block them all with his shield or even know he is hit until it's done.
Originally posted by SevenShacklesTwo problems with this. A.) Bizarro isn't smart enough to think about taking the ring. B.) Bizarro doesn't use his speed to dodge or attack, he is primarily strength, heat breath, and ice vision.Saw this and reminded me of this VS.
Not canon but replace removing ring with removing head and I can see the argument that blood lust bizarro might trump Kilo's teaching ability + caps learning ability
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Two problems with this. A.) Bizarro isn't smart enough to think about taking the ring. B.) Bizarro doesn't use his speed to dodge or attack, he is primarily strength, heat breath, and ice vision.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
I question the aura thing as well but the speed is what really makes me re think things. Bizarro wouldn't try to take the ring off anyway but even with the aura/auto shields at the speed how many devastating hits could a blood lusted bizarro throw out?I doubt cap never mind how great his reflexes might be will block them all with his shield or even know he is hit until it's done.
I would imagine a blood lusted bizarro would go full speed at whatever is pissing him off and hit it repeatedly as hard as he could. Put distance between him and bizarro and he will close it like a flying tank in a straight line full force. Sure cap is tactical and can take advantage of such simple methods but given how fast he can move with as mush power as he can hit how much can cap really do? How much can his gl shields take and his own shield is lethal but if bizarro gets a hold of it he can rip it out of his hands (arguable I know) or hit somewhere else. if he doesn't close the distance he can ice vision/flame breath him or whatever his retarded powers are until he reaches him to hit him some more.
How long till bizarro gets tired? It's argued superman can dent caps shield so why can't his clone? And I remember a comic where superman and bizarro switch bodies and superman states bizarros body is stronger. (not sure if it's still canon) so yeah. I want cap to win but it doesn't make it so.
Originally posted by sCOURGE_0
The Nova Force is nothing like a ring, and for the 800th time being proficient with a weapon doesn't equate being proficient with a ring that requires a tremendous amount of willpower to use.Cap doesn't have the willpower to use a ring proficiently to a degree that would stop Bizzaro from snapping his neck
Even if he had years of training at the very best Cap may be able to create a spark, when Green Arrow tried using a ring he ended up comatose for a week, Cap won't fare any better
You bring up Green Arrow as a reference point.
Considering Slade will superseded Kyle will IIRC. Plus Cap's will is definitely up there probably Slade level or higher.
Obviously the Nova Force is different. But that's the point different weapons/scenarios Cap just adapts very well to.