Sodom and Gomorrah

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying I know the concept of right/wrong better than God. I'm saying that him telling mankind that it is a top-tier sin to kill when he, himself, killed cities-worth of people just because he didn't approve of the choices they made, is overtly hypocritical. Malevolent, almost.

The proverb "do as I say, not as I do" is not something I would expect from a 'supreme' entity.

OT God was a malevolent hypocrite. He, himself, wrote that it is a sin of the highest order to kill a fellow human--- yet he personally slaughtered thousands of humans simply because he didn't approve of their lifestyle choices.

"Do as a say, not as I do." What a dick.

Originally posted by Galan007
OT God was a malevolent hypocrite. He, himself, wrote that it is a sin of the highest order to kill a fellow human--- yet he personally slaughtered thousands of humans simply because he didn't approve of their lifestyle choices.

"Do as a say, not as I do." What a dick.

It's like a Shepard tending to his flock. He doesn't want them fighting themselves but he knows if some of them need to get taken away from the rest he will 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Except God isn't human therefore he isn't killing his fellow humans.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
God made us in his image, didn't he? The argument I always hear about why killing is wrong is that killing a human is tarnishing God's image, therefore when God kills humans he also tarnishes his own image.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
God made us in his image, didn't he? The argument I always hear about why killing is wrong is that killing a human is tarnishing God's image, therefore when God kills humans he also tarnishes his own image.

I think the mentally is that God's allowed to break his own toys.

Originally posted by Galan007
OT God was a malevolent hypocrite. He, himself, wrote that it is a sin of the highest order to kill a fellow human--- yet he personally slaughtered thousands of humans simply because he didn't approve of their lifestyle choices.

"Do as a say, not as I do." What a dick.

* that's your definition of "free will"? to do evil things and not get punished? wow, you're something...

"Just as Sodom and Gomor'rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."
Jude 7

* you do know that acting immorally and indulging in unnatural lust are wrong, don't you?

* but eventhough the people in Sodom and Gomor'rah did awful things, what if i tell you that Jesus Himself said that they can be pardoned?

"Also He said to them, In whatever place you enter a house, stay there till you depart from that place.
And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"
Mark 6:10-11

* the lesson here is: don't judge THE Judge... He is merciful so much more than you'll ever imagine...

Originally posted by Robtard
I think the mentally is that God's allowed to break his own toys.

Originally posted by peejayd
He is merciful so much more than you'll ever imagine...

How is wiping out an entire cities merciful?

Even if we go with the notion that every single man and woman in those cities were murdering sodomites without an ounce of morality between them, there had to have been infants and children.

Originally posted by peejayd
* that's your definition of "free will"? to do evil things and not get punished? wow, you're something...

"Just as Sodom and Gomor'rah and the surrounding cities, which likewise [b]acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."
Jude 7

* you do know that acting immorally and indulging in unnatural lust are wrong, don't you?

* but eventhough the people in Sodom and Gomor'rah did awful things, what if i tell you that Jesus Himself said that they can be pardoned?

"Also He said to them, In whatever place you enter a house, stay there till you depart from that place.
And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!"
Mark 6:10-11

* the lesson here is: don't judge THE Judge... He is merciful so much more than you'll ever imagine... [/B]

However, God still gave them the free will to make their own choices(right or wrong)-- and they chose to express their free will by acting immorally. God didn't like them using his gift in that kind of way, so he killed them to prove a point. Woman, children, elderly... They were all slaughtered just the same.

That's like killing a kid for playing with a toy you gave him.

Originally posted by Robtard
How is wiping out an entire cities merciful?

Even if we go with the notion that every single man and woman in those cities were murdering sodomites without an ounce of morality between them, there had to have been infants and children.

Originally posted by Galan007

That's like killing a kid for playing with a toy you gave him.

To be fair, it's more akin to giving a kid an action figure and saying "You can play with it however you like; just don't stick it up your ass."

Then you come back later, find the kid with the action figure up his ass and proceed to stomp him to death.

We can even dwell into more insanity if we bring up the whole "here, rape my daughters instead" angle of the story. But let's save that for later.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
God made us in his image, didn't he? The argument I always hear about why killing is wrong is that killing a human is tarnishing God's image, therefore when God kills humans he also tarnishes his own image.

* one thing you need to learn is that God and man are two different beings... first, one is the creator and the other is a creature... man being made in God's image and likeness does not imply that man is also God...

* Biblically and techinically, man does not really own his life... that's why, the life of man is limited and not eternal... it is God who provides life... and being the provider of life, He also has this power to take it away... and that's not technically "killing", but it is, in man's terms...

"Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand."
Deuteronomy 32:39

Originally posted by Robtard
We can even dwell into more insanity if we bring up the whole "here, rape my daughters instead" angle of the story. But let's save that for later.

*said Lot to the horde of murderers and rapists.*

Doesn't the Bible say that we're all sinners and deserving of death, and that it's only through Jesus Christ that we can become free of sin?

By that line of logic God wouldn't be doing anything wrong by killing people. Unless he killed people that believed in Jesus Christ as their savior.

Originally posted by Astner
Doesn't the Bible say that we're all sinners and deserving of death, and that it's only through Jesus Christ that we can become free of sin?

By that line of logic God wouldn't be doing anything wrong by killing people. Unless he killed people that believed in Jesus Christ as their savior.

That's one interpretation of the new testament.

Originally posted by Galan007
You haven't comprehended what I've been saying, apparently. I have mentioned a few times that the peoples of S&G were, by definition, sinners.

However, God still gave them the free will to make their own choices(right or wrong)-- and they chose to express their free will by acting immorally. God didn't like them using his gift in that kind of way, so he killed them to prove a point. Woman, children, elderly... They were all slaughtered just the same.

That's like killing a kid for playing with a toy you gave him.

Originally posted by Galan007
You haven't comprehended what I've been saying, apparently. I have mentioned a few times that the peoples of S&G were, by definition, sinners.

However, God still gave them the free will to make their own choices(right or wrong)-- and they chose to express their free will by acting immorally. God didn't like them using his gift in that kind of way, so he killed them to prove a point. Woman, children, elderly... They were all slaughtered just the same.

That's like killing a kid for playing with a toy you gave him.

* no... first, the gift of free will is not something you can compare to a toy... and it is not given to a "kid"...

* free will is given to a person with a sense of responsibility to do righteously... free will is not just a choice... it is a choice with consequence, that's why God gave a recommendation:

"I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;"
Deuteronomy 30:19

* it's like giving a responsible man a knife... not to kill people, but to help him in cooking? 😛 anyway, this is free will:

"For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love be servants of one another."
Galatians 5:13

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's one interpretation of the new testament.

Originally posted by Astner
How else to interpret "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," - Romans 3:23?

You should probably take that up with the many, many denominations that don't interpret it the way you do. (I think almost all would take issue with the "deserving of death" part)