Originally posted by AscendancySo you buy into their silly arguments ? It's a die hard movie there is no such thing as luck. There's a thing called a script in which Bruce Willis' character survives. The outcome is rigged you hick. You call it like. LOL.
Sh1t, if luck powers don't come into play there are a whole lot of John McClane threads that need to be revised.
Fellowship.
The Gladiators were tough but never came across the same circumstances or fights the Fellowship crossed.
Heck say what you will about Boromir but he held off an Orc platoon by himself while fighting with arrows being shot into him.
Achilles slowly trodded through a few arrows in him but was definitely in no condition to fight.
Gimili is legit superhuman in strength. He can one hand snap a goblins neck, and he was bench pressing a warg off of him, something that is about as big as a horse.
Leonidas had trouble with the Giant because of his superior strength to him.
Legolas as legit Superhuman agility and speed.
And for all of Maximus' fights he enver fought anything approaching a sueprhuman in anything.
I think of all the people in team Glads the one with the best superhuman fighting feats is Conan.
All gladiators have superhuman strength. Legolas has slight superhuman accuracy but his speed is not superhuman (there is a Youtube video of some dude showing that he is better and faster than Legolas).
So the argument of superhuman strength will not work.
Based on feats, your strongest is probably Achilles by a significant margin. However, Conan would be your second as he has some pretty absurd feats.
As far as fighting ability, Achilles and Conan are your top, by an absurd amount. Either one of them can solo all four of the other team.
Originally posted by dadudemonThey have action hero strength. There is difference between that and legit superhuman strength.
All gladiators have superhuman strength. Legolas has slight superhuman accuracy but his speed is not superhuman (there is a Youtube video of some dude showing that he is better and faster than Legolas).So the argument of superhuman strength will not work.
Based on feats, your strongest is probably Achilles by a significant margin. However, Conan would be your second as he has some pretty absurd feats.
As far as fighting ability, Achilles and Conan are your top, by an absurd amount. Either one of them can solo all four of the other team.
It's the notion that these people are supposed to be average humans but they obviously pull of things that a normal human couldn't although they are generally murky.
So for instance tell what were Achilles' superhuman strength feats, Leonidas', Conan's, Maximus'.
As for fighting ability everyone of the Fellowship took on hordes of beings. The same as everyone else.
Did the guy in this video show himself capable of single grabbing a horse and flinging himself one handed unto it? Did it show him climbing up a bunch of arrows to the top of a massive creature in second or something similar?
Originally posted by NewjakYou think those are superhuman feats?
Did the guy in this video show himself capable of single grabbing a horse and flinging himself one handed unto it? Did it show him climbing up a bunch of arrows to the top of a massive creature in second or something similar?
Those are things people can do in real life.
Originally posted by Newjak
They have action hero strength. There is difference between that and legit superhuman strength.
No. There is not.
Originally posted by Newjak
It's the notion that these people are supposed to be average humans...
No, they are not. That's actually the furthest thing from the truth someone could state of their physical ability.
Originally posted by Newjak
...but they obviously pull of things that a normal human couldn't although they are generally murky.
No, there is nothing murkey about throwing a Dory half a mile: that's pretty dang far into the superhuman category.
Originally posted by Newjak
So for instance tell what were Achilles' superhuman strength feats, Leonidas', Conan's, Maximus'.
No thanks. 🙂
Originally posted by Newjak
As for fighting ability everyone of the Fellowship took on hordes of beings. The same as everyone else.
Indeed...but their characters were grounded more within human levels of ability.
Originally posted by Newjak
Did the guy in this video show himself capable of single grabbing a horse and flinging himself one handed unto it? Did it show him climbing up a bunch of arrows to the top of a massive creature in second or something similar?
Even better, obviously, or else I would not hold what I do.
Originally posted by Mindset
You think those are superhuman feats?Those are things people can do in real life.
That's actually true. 😐
Originally posted by NewjakHow will that help in a straight fight? There's no fancy acrobatics just fighting. Fighting orcs =/= fighting seasoned veterans.As for fighting ability everyone of the Fellowship took on hordes of beings. The same as everyone else.
Did the guy in this video show himself capable of single grabbing a horse and flinging himself one handed unto it? Did it show him climbing up a bunch of arrows to the top of a massive creature in second or something similar? [/B]
Achilles mowed down dozens of warriors in Troy without even trying. Hector beat all kinds of foes and was a great fighter, and Achilles killed him all the same. Same for Maximus and all the gladiators he slaughtered. Leonidas mowed throw Immortals, and so on.
If Aragorn could barely handle Lurtz, he's not killing Achilles.
Originally posted by MindsetWhen's the last time you've seen a human being bench pressing a horse sized animal off of them?
You think those are superhuman feats?Those are things people can do in real life.
For the record Horses can weigh up 1200 pounds. The record with a bench shirt(specialized Equipment) isn't over 1100 pounds.
Without the bench shirt it's like 700-900 pounds.
Gimili was doing it with only minor inconvenience and without specialized lifting aid. So yes Superhuman 😐
Originally posted by dadudemonSo you're willing to state they have superior strength without actually stating why they have it?
No. There is not.No, they are not. That's actually the furthest thing from the truth someone could state of their physical ability.
No, there is nothing murkey about throwing a Dory half a mile: that's pretty dang far into the superhuman category.
No thanks. 🙂
Indeed...but their characters were grounded more within human levels of ability.
Even better, obviously, or else I would not hold what I do.
That's actually true. 😐
Cause I'm trying to think of actual superhuman feats those guys pulled off that no human can do like Gimili. The only things that come to mind are possible throwing attacks which are mostly for show and cutting off limbs with weapons.
Can you link the youtube video?
Originally posted by NewjakI don't think you actually realized what you originally posted.
When's the last time you've seen a human being bench pressing a horse sized animal off of them?For the record Horses can weigh up 1200 pounds. The record with a bench shirt(specialized Equipment) isn't over 1100 pounds.
Without the bench shirt it's like 700-900 pounds.
Gimili was doing it with only minor inconvenience and without specialized lifting aid. So yes Superhuman 😐
Originally posted by MindsetWhoops I thought you commented on the strength part 😛 My bad.
I don't think you actually realized what you originally posted.
But what Legolas did was incredibly agile and until I find or am given a link to this video I don't think typical humans could pull the feats legolas did in speed, agility, and finesse and definitely not how he did all of them together.
Originally posted by Newjak
Whoops I thought you commented on the strength part 😛 My bad.But what Legolas did was incredibly agile and until I find or am given a link to this video I don't think typical humans could pull the feats legolas did in speed, agility, and finesse and definitely not how he did all of them together.
I agree that Legolas's agility and speed and dexterity are way above a human's. He was walking on snow for pete's sake. But, Achilles's fighting ability was also above human. His strength is shown by his spear throw.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
You should, I don't know, post the video? Crazy talk, I understand, but just a thought.
You should, I don't know, bite my shiny metal ass? Crazy talk, I understand, but just a thought.
Originally posted by Newjak
So you're willing to state they have superior strength without actually stating why they have it?
Yeah, I tend to think people have seen the movies for the threads I post in. I don't respond to troll questions like, "What happened in the films?" Pretty stupid, I think, to even ask that in a thread. However, I understand that in the CvF, it is common to ask for "feats" from comics people have not read. **** the context from which those scans come from, right? 😄
Originally posted by Newjak
Cause I'm trying to think of actual superhuman feats those guys pulled off that no human can do like Gimili.
Go re-watch the films before posting in the thread. I expect to see you back, here, in one to two weeks.
Originally posted by Newjak
Can you link the youtube video?
No, but you can go watch the films. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemonI've watched all the films, I own all the films except for Conan.
You should, I don't know, bite my shiny metal ass? Crazy talk, I understand, but just a thought.Yeah, I tend to think people have seen the movies for the threads I post in. I don't respond to troll questions like, "What happened in the films?" Pretty stupid, I think, to even ask that in a thread. However, I understand that in the CvF, it is common to ask for "feats" from comics people have not read. **** the context from which those scans come from, right? 😄
Go re-watch the films before posting in the thread. I expect to see you back, here, in one to two weeks.
No, but you can go watch the films. 🙂
I have no idea what strength feats you are talking about.
The only thing that comes close is cutting limbs and throwing spears. So besides those weapon aided feats they were never shown to be anymore than humans.
Hector was able to trade blows with Achilles and he wasn't overpowered completely.
When Leonidas fought the Giant Immortal, the only thing humanoid in the entire movie to show super-human strength Leonidas was pretty easily overpowered and would have died had it not been for a Spartan coming to his rescue.
The only person on team Glads I can't remember the bulk of their feats is Conan. So he could have legit Superhuman strength but I might not remember it.