What? No. Blue Marvel was holding back the entire fight because he was having an identity crisis. Hell for most of it he was more focused on what the people around him were thinking of him rather than King Hyperion. Once he stopped feeling sorry for himself, he beat Hyperion down with almost no effort, and delivered him to the Thunderbolts in chains more or less.
Originally posted by KingD19
What? No. Blue Marvel was holding back the entire fight because he was having an identity crisis. Hell for most of it he was more focused on what the people around him were thinking of him rather than King Hyperion. Once he stopped feeling sorry for himself, he beat Hyperion down with almost no effort, and delivered him to the Thunderbolts in chains more or less.
I think you read that fight wrong. Hyperion two punched him and had him on the ground near koed. Nothing stated he was holding back.
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That's the whole fight. Marvel goes in cocky, thinking he's unbeatable and then he gets taken off guard when Hyperion hits him harder than even Sentry did. Then he realizes the people he's fighting to protect are as scared of him as they are Hyperion and he has a little pity party. Keep in mind this Hyperion has killed countless other Hulks, Thor's, Sentry's, and Blue Marvel's. Then this one realizes that he's buying in to his own bullshit and decides to fight. He says it right in the third or 4th panel. He hadn't been able to cut loose like that in a long time. Which means he was holding back before.
And lol at near ko'd, he was having an inner monologue the entire time. And he was already getting up when Hyperion turned his back on him.
Lol you're serious? So you're going to ignore the fight they had where even with help from the other Avengers, Sentry got flash ko'd and knocked into orbit at the same time, then had to sneak attack BM from orbit to get a win? And even then, he was in just as bad shape and could barely stand afterward.
Originally posted by KingD19
Lol you're serious? So you're going to ignore the fight they had where even with help from the other Avengers, Sentry got flash ko'd and knocked into orbit at the same time, then had to sneak attack BM from orbit to get a win? And even then, he was in just as bad shape and could barely stand afterward.
Like I've said, Blue Marvel was out, and easily. If Hyperion would have pressed his attack, BM would have died.
Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
see im thinkin the same way u r... sentry and nova kill off blue marvel and fight hyperion 2 on 1 or whatever have you in a 1 on 1 fight nothing else included sentry is far stronger faster with a lot more ability molecule manipulation telepathy he could wreck hyperion 1 on 1 he is a very durable guy but he has almost no chance of damaging sentry and eventually sentry will damage him we compared str feats in another thread where wwh and sentry stalemated and that isnt sentry going all out and as far as im concerned wwh is much stronger then hyperion his ability to be seconds ahead of time and molecule manipulation puts him light years ahead of hyperion giving sentry a partner i think makes it overkill here but if were giving him the ability to use the void as well (it wasnt stated he cant) then put all 3 of the other guys in this against sentry and that still i think sentry comes out on top thats a whole different ball game if he uses the void thats total mind rapeage hyperion has never faced someone with as strong of telepathy either someone like bob who made the entire world forget who he was is an amazing feat i think hed mind rape him here and for the most part ur right hes not tactical he is a lot like hulk in a way he wants to bash ur face in idk enuff about hyperion to say that hes "tactical" but his durability is his best feat and would get put down by sentry
See that's why I brought up tactics. Sentry lacks any sort of ability to follow orders (for the most part outside of the dark reign Osborn manipulation thing) and like you said operates like the hulk and goes i n swinging regardless of the exotic applications of his power. The 'erase from memory' feat to me seemed to be part of an episode and something he did more subconscious than anything. (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
Hyperion has lead his own super teams and is ca pable of tactical thought something needed in fighting a foe stronger than you. That being in mind and the 'common knowledge' rule pretty much tells me that team 2 would blitz nova as the weak link and do all in their power to eliminate him to put things more in their favor. I don't even think both need to attack nova as Hyperion would be enough as blue marvel stalemates sentry and keeps him distracted (something easily accomplished more or less)
Blue marvel has hurt sentry before and Hyperion is sentry's predecessor as marvel superman(lite) and might not be on par with WWH in many opinions but is in no way a easy opponent and with both him and blue sentry should eat dirt.
I actually consider the sentry vs WWH fight to be PIS. (cheap way to end it also) He didn't show such potential any other time without blatantly being the void and even the void didn't trade blows like that when it bothered to creep out. I dont wanna catch sh*t for saying this but it's how I view it.
Sentry = inconsistent.
Originally posted by carver9
Like I've said, Blue Marvel was out, and easily. If Hyperion would have pressed his attack, BM would have died.
He wasn't out. He was already getting up as soon as Hype turned around. And he certainly wouldn't have gotten killed.
As for why he was down, not out. He underestimated Hyperion and got taken by surprise. It's right there in the scans.
As soon as he takes the kiddy gloves off, Hype is down without so much as another word.
@king...
If Hyperion would have kept pounding on BM during this scene, what could BM have done?
He would have fought back sooner. He came to the realization after Hyperion left him alone, but if he'd just kept hitting him, his self preservation would have let him turn up on him just as he did before. Right there on panel shows he was holding back, and then really got serious and beat him with no effort.
I could ask you the same thing like, "what would have happened if Blue Marvel hadn't been dicking around in the beginning"?
Originally posted by KingD19
He would have fought back sooner. He came to the realization after Hyperion left him alone, but if he'd just kept hitting him, his self preservation would have let him turn up on him just as he did before. Right there on panel shows he was holding back, and then really got serious and beat him with no effort.I could ask you the same thing like, "what would have happened if Blue Marvel hadn't been dicking around in the beginning"?
What scans states BM was holding back? If anything, Hyperion was holding back. Lol...how would BM have prevented Hyperion from pounding on him. He was near koed in the scan above...bleeding from the mouth, etc...if Hyperion would have pressed his attack, BM would have been out, no questions asked. Hyperion "holding back" gave BM an open opportunity.
1st Scan Blue Marvel says to himself "I was cocky at first. Like I was hitting the two hole for twenty yards and there was no one who could stop me. But Hyperion was a mean linebacker." He was cocky going in, and he didn't even take Hyperion serious. His punch that hit harder than Sentry combined with the realization that the people he was protecting were frightened of him made him lose his heart for the fight.
4th scan he saves the little girl and uses an energy blast on Hyperion says "He let Marvel live too long, and he was gonna die a slow death. Meaning he wanted him dead. Marvel tells him to take his best shot, and then internally states " It had been a long time since I'd been able to let loose that way. And I was going to make every shot count."
Shortly after he "let's loose", Hyperion is unconscious, even after saying he was going to kill Marvel.
That means, Marvel went in headstrong and not at his best because he didn't think Hyperion was a threat. Then he stopped fighting because the people he was fighting for were scared of him and he started doubting himself. Then he pulled his head out of his ass and shitstomped Hyperion.
It's the Superman gambit. But it shows Marvel was holding back.
By feats this new Hyperion held apart two planets until they blew up from the pressure. With strength alone. And then he was durable enough to survive an explosion that wiped out a universe. And he simply survived in a void which also is an incredible feat.
Sentry has never done anything on that level. Even his molecular control is inadmissible because he uses it all of once or twice before having Thor kill him.
