Originally posted by Nephthys
He stands a chance with his lightsaber, but I doubt he could have dominated two such powerful opponents at the same time while flanked. Meetra may have appeared weak in the novel, but lets not forget that she defeated an entire temple of Sith on Malachor including Sion and Kreia. The latter of who did call her her greatest student.
^In-game feats aren't canon. You can sneak through all those Sith in KOTOR II.
Sion is mindgamed into losing and he has a soft spot for the canoncial female exile. Kriea would not dare strike down the student who embodies her teachings, and bar that her greatest feat (giga draining the masters) is useless against the Exile.
Kreia's greatest student statement is pretty much retconed when Revan utterly outclasses her in the Revan novel.
Meetra and Scourge are formidable. But let's not forget the good Count fought against Skywalker and Kenobi simultaneously. Kenobi and Skywalker>>>Meetra Surik and Scourge.
Where as Kenobi took on the Maul brothers, Meetra struggled against two guardsman. Now granted I recognize these are not ordinary guards, there's no way in hell I'd say they're anywhere near Savage and Maul.
Tyranus' feats eclipse Nyriss' by a lot. I'd give Nyriss a win against Maul but not Dooku.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
^In-game feats aren't canon. You can sneak through all those Sith in KOTOR II.
Sion is mindgamed into losing and he has a soft spot for the canoncial female exile. Kriea would not dare strike down the student who embodies her teachings, and bar that her greatest feat (giga draining the masters) is useless against the Exile.Kreia's greatest student statement is pretty much retconed when Revan utterly outclasses her in the Revan novel.
Meetra and Scourge are formidable. But let's not forget the good Count fought against Skywalker and Kenobi simultaneously. Kenobi and Skywalker>>>Meetra Surik and Scourge.
Where as Kenobi took on the Maul brothers, Meetra struggled against two guardsman. Now granted I recognize these are not ordinary guards, there's no way in hell I'd say they're anywhere near Savage and Maul.
Tyranus' feats eclipse Nyriss' by a lot. I'd give Nyriss a win against Maul but not Dooku.
Being able to sneak past those guards is a game mechanic, seeing as they're Sith so even if she was invisible they could sense her, particularly since you have to go through closed doors and they clearly know she's coming given her greeting at the door. Also in Revan the Exile never demonstrated stealth abilities, even when it would have been an advantage to use them, such as when she was trying to rescue Revan. What isn't a game-mechanic is that its a Sith Temple, there are Sith there, and you need to get through it to get to Sion and Kreia.
Only after defeating him multiple times in combat and even if he was going easy I highly doubt he would continue to do so after she's beaten him once already. Theres nothing suggesting Kreia was going easy on the Exile seeing as she continues to fight even after losing her other hand. And as Legend has shown, Kreia was more powerful than the Exile and they were on a powerful Darkside nexus. Defeating Kriea is an impressive feat in and of itself. To try to dismiss it after she already run through an entire Sith temple and defeated Sion multiple times would be ignorance to the point of willfulness.
No it isn't, since Kreia never interacted with the Revan from that novel. It doesn't preclude the idea that the Exile was greater than the Revan Kriea knew and trained.
And lets not forget that Dooku lost that fight. And demonstrated none of the dominance that Nyriss showed in her fight. Even in AotC he took them on one-by-one and was visibly tired by the effort. You'll also note that I didn't say that Nyriss was his superior with a lightsaber, saying instead that Dooku stands a chance.
Thats an ABC argument.
You're welcome to your opinion, but it goes against the evidence friend.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Feat-to-feat, Tyranus wastes her as both a Force adept and duelist. Her greatest showing was one on a world that bristles with the dark side; borrowed energy that would not be available to her on Geonosis.
Fact is that she subdued two expert duelists simultaneously in such a manner that they seemed helpless; the performance on its whole is incredible. These expert duelists also happen to be more formidable then brothers whom Sidious fought. Just because we didn't see some flashy telekinetic feats from them; doesn't means that these individuals could not perform impressive feats with the Force, given their strength and reputation.
Nyriss is also a master of Sith Sorcery but didn't called upon a dark side nexus to boost her power or utilize strange methods to subdue her opponents (like Zannah) during her struggle against Scourge and Meetra. The only place in Dromund Kaas which is touted to be a dark side nexus is the Dark Temple.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Darth Tyranus by far.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Being able to sneak past those guards is a game mechanic, seeing as they're Sith so even if she was invisible they could sense her, particularly since you have to go through closed doors and they clearly know she's coming given her greeting at the door. Also in Revan the Exile never demonstrated stealth abilities, even when it would have been an advantage to use them, such as when she was trying to rescue Revan. What isn't a game-mechanic is that its a Sith Temple, there are Sith there, and you need to get through it to get to Sion and Kreia.Only after defeating him multiple times in combat and even if he was going easy I highly doubt he would continue to do so after she's beaten him once already. Theres nothing suggesting Kreia was going easy on the Exile seeing as she continues to fight even after losing her other hand. And as Legend has shown, Kreia was more powerful than the Exile and they were on a powerful Darkside nexus. Defeating Kriea is an impressive feat in and of itself. To try to dismiss it after she already run through an entire Sith temple and defeated Sion multiple times would be ignorance to the point of willfulness.
No it isn't, since Kreia never interacted with the Revan from that novel. It doesn't preclude the idea that the Exile was greater than the Revan Kriea knew and trained.
And lets not forget that Dooku lost that fight. And demonstrated none of the dominance that Nyriss showed in her fight. Even in AotC he took them on one-by-one and was visibly tired by the effort. You'll also note that I didn't say that Nyriss was his superior with a lightsaber, saying instead that Dooku stands a chance.
Thats an ABC argument.
You're welcome to your opinion, but it goes against the evidence friend.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Why not, bro?When a Jedi grew too powerful or a Sith too ambitious, Scourge eliminated the threat. (Star Wars The Complete Encyclopedia)
Kill record (Jedi/Sith): 1000+
Well, he is immortal.
He liked got the large majority of those post-Revan, and he could've lost a fair number of fights, just, y'know, not died so got to keep at it 🙂
Originally posted by The_Tempest
👆Devoid of a world powerful in the dark side to bolster her energies, there's no proof that she could take on someone of Dooku's caliber.
First read about how people become Dark Councilers:
To serve on the Dark Council is to achieve the greatest position of honor, power and influence in the Empire. Many Sith spend their entire lives plotting their ascension to the council, but with millions vying only for 12 seats, the competition is cutthroat. The powerful few who join the council often serve for only a few months, their lives cut short by internal power struggles or external enemies who target them for assassination. (Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia)
Nyriss lasted around 20 years within the Council. It is a big accomplishment.
Also, Nyriss didn't used her Sith Sorcery skills to subdue Scourge and Meetra simultaneously. She did so in a fair manner.
Or here's another ways of looking at it: Darth tyranus descends form the rule of two, he lives in era where there is just 2 siths. This setting contains just two siths as well, his power remains the same. Nyriss on the other hand hails form time where there were legions of siths. In this new setting he will experience a universe with far stronger dark side power, bringing his powers to new heaights, making him vastly more powerful than his portryala in the books and vastly more powerful than count.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, he is immortal.
Originally posted by Q99
He liked got the large majority of those post-Revan, and he could've lost a fair number of fights, just, y'know, not died so got to keep at it 🙂
Only two individuals defeated him in single combat as per revelations till date.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I don't have to. It falls to those arguing in her favor to prove that she's capable of overcoming Dooku on neutral ground.Not to mention that your example requires that dark side nexuses are all comparable in strength and are uniform in advantage. 😬
Prove that shes not capable of overcoming Dooku on nuetral ground please.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I don't have to prove a negative, bro. 😬
If they cannot prove positive and you cannot prove negative then nothing can be proven pal. So we have to meat halfway. And that means agreeing that a nexus is a nexus unless we are told that it is a particularly strong or weak nexus.