Originally posted by ScreamPasteinsults which validate my case.
No, you legitimately have not provided a single shred of intelligence.Being sucked through a door isn't a direct attack. Herp.
Matches the Triforce in power. Proven.
Then support it, try.
Look at Quan, ignoring feats. Prove AK can kill an immortal.
Yes, that's exactly what it is. Mirror was used just on one guy and it worked. 😄
Dispels weak magic.
Already have.
Prove Dorf can resist magic.
😂
Keeping in mind that the Mirror has the power to banish every single Twili to that realm.. pretty powerful BFR.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Twilight only works if Hyrule is unbalanced. The arrows worked because they are an opposite to Dorf trying to balance out the equation.
2. he has him at his mercy for the duration of the spell just like anyone else in the Potter verse it successfully is applied to. Not more pain the same pain which leaves him vulnerable and unable to defend himself. Crucio wins the thread. He can inflict it however long he wants to with his opponent at his mercy effectively winning the thread.
Twilight covers the Hyrule and effects nearly every person in the land. Fact: The only people to survive this shroud are those with Triforce piece protecting them.
The Light Spirits can expel said Twilight and a single one can also severely cripple Midna with its presence alone. Powerful holy magic. Fact: Ganondorf's barely stunned from this power, quite literally laughs at it.
Fact: Ganondorf has resistance against magic.
2. Yet two people were still able to take it for hours without giving in. Same pain? So Ganondorf will feel the same level of pain as these human bodies take? Not so bad, as shown normal stabs don't cause him much bother unlike humans. Ganondorf laughing as he tears the sword out of his torso comes to mind.
Assuming he's in excruciating pain, what then? Stay there using the curse forever? The Tonk's lasted hours with barely any ill effect, Tom will be there for a long time with nothing to show for his efforts besides wasting energy. How long do you think he can keep it up for? Someone has to walk away from this, and stalling will only harm Tom. And in the best case scenario for him, a stall is all it will be.
What would happen if Dorf simply vanished after being struck?
Originally posted by quanchi112
3. Depends on what hits them, where, force applied, position of body, etc. We don't see what hits Ganondorf if anything coupled with his teleportational powers
parried in the rest of the game. You just assume out of fanboyism.
He survived a sword strike by the top resisting the fatal strike not the damage incurred.
Key word is specific magic works despite the top. Mirror MS Avada Kedavra Crucio. There isn't a single example of him resisting specific magic. Glad we got that out of the way. Top can overcome durability or a natural death incurred by damage to the body not specific magic which doesn't affect the body.
Its questionable how with a canon-gameplay instance that needs to happen in order to progress you say its just a gameplay mechanic.. but when it comes to non-canon gameplay you cite it as a fact...
The only canon times where a sword has countered was against Dorf. I see you ignored the fact that it slices through thick chunks of armour? And ignored the canon fact the the Master Sword is physically stronger than a blade. Blade < GS< GLS < MS.. facts. You not thinking it is due to gameplay mechanics is just going against canon facts.
So its proven that its physically stronger than a normal sword, and I highly doubt an argument is needed about its magical potancy over a normal blade or that Link is stronger than a human so yeah, Ganondorf taking Link's Master Sword attack is not to be compared to a human getting gutted. Gotta love the 'fanboy bias' claims from the anti-LoZ guy.
Besides the MS, no attack or anything has left any damage. To assume the ToP heals damage cause before it was there is another thing.
What part are you missing here? Read your line again; "He survived a sword strike by the top resisting the fatal strike". Ganondorf with the ToP resisted a fatal strike. Your single counter is that he didn't heal the wound but I ask you, what physical damage does AK produce? None. All AK does is kill you, and the ToP has already allowed him to survive fatality.
The topic went right over your head here.. I'll back up a bit. You said "If specific magic can dispel his magic specific magic logically can also kill him" and you're right that it takes a specific magic; Sacred white light and a powerful anti-evil blessing from a divine being. That's the specific magic it took. Is the BFR portal, the death or pain curse powered by a sacred anti-evil blessing? No. You listed different specific spells but missed out the vital part that they are /different/ specific spells. All specific magics are not the same.
Two undeniable things: First, Ganondorf does in fact have magical defences, one of which is 'specifically' related to fatality. Second we have this gem; "No, I am saying someone needs to show magical resistance not death curse resistance."~Quan. You explicitly said, in counter to the no-limits fallacy point, that in order to resist AK (and by extension the pain curse) a character will need magical resistance.. not a specific death (or pain curse) resistance. Dorf has the resistance, he's safe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
4. He immediately broke the shield when he interceded. Are you referring to the Elder Wand cracking ?
5. Depends on magical resistance and what not. Not the same as humans since they can make themselves immortal. S
You ignore the context of the love counter charm. Dorf also is without love so a moot point. A person needs to give their life for it to even work making a one vs one thread impossible to do so. It's ridiculous. It's a counter just like the MS is a counter to the top as it dispels magic.
Harry had help, his mother sacrificed herself, a Horcrux inside him, etc. context isn't your ally it is your enemy.
5. So Tom can kill said planet-monster or a character that survived a universe exploding? 'Can', but none of them do. Tom being immortal with a split soul is not a magical protection, its a separation. So until a wizard with a defence set up is AK'd, for all intents and purposes they are oh human body and soul.
And reading comprehension is obviously yours.. Because no one is saying Dorf uses love here <__< I'll just repeat;
"This proves that powerful protective magic can resist AK. And thats exactly what the Triforce offers."
"Love and the Triforce which have both proven to be very powerful, both proven to protect the two and both have been proven to save them from death situations."
Originally posted by BloodRainMore powerful than Dorf that's for sure. 😂
Keeping in mind that the Mirror has the power to banish every single Twili to that realm.. pretty powerful BFR.1. You failed to grasp another point. Your response is about using Twilight as a method of attack in a vs thread. Completely pointless when we're talking about how strong the Spirits and what Dorf can take from them. Stop going off topic Quan, this shits long enough as it is. We're talking about Ganondorf's resistance.
Twilight covers the Hyrule and effects nearly every person in the land. Fact: The only people to survive this shroud are those with Triforce piece protecting them.
The Light Spirits can expel said Twilight and a single one can also severely cripple Midna with its presence alone. Powerful holy magic. Fact: Ganondorf's barely stunned from this power, quite literally laughs at it.
Fact: Ganondorf has resistance against magic.
2. Yet two people were still able to take it for hours without giving in. Same pain? So Ganondorf will feel the same level of pain as these human bodies take? Not so bad, as shown normal stabs don't cause him much bother unlike humans. Ganondorf laughing as he tears the sword out of his torso comes to mind.
Assuming he's in excruciating pain, what then? Stay there using the curse forever? The Tonk's lasted hours with barely any ill effect, Tom will be there for a long time with nothing to show for his efforts besides wasting energy. How long do you think he can keep it up for? Someone has to walk away from this, and stalling will only harm Tom. And in the best case scenario for him, a stall is all it will be.
What would happen if Dorf simply vanished after being struck?3. Compare those to a situation where Dorf was in the blast: Position and where, his whole person. Force applied, castle busting. What hits them, Midna to his face. So to your 'doesn't mean people >> buildings', if a whole building explodes and a person is at ground zero.. it'd take supernatural durability for them to live and walk away without undamaged.
Saying its more than we saw is creating extra and unsupported claims that were not supplied to us in that scene. I know where you're coming from, but its just getting an answer with questions.Its questionable how with a canon-gameplay instance that needs to happen in order to progress you say its just a gameplay mechanic.. but when it comes to non-canon gameplay you cite it as a fact...
The only canon times where a sword has countered was against Dorf. I see you ignored the fact that it slices through thick chunks of armour? And ignored the canon fact the the Master Sword is physically stronger than a blade. Blade < GS< GLS < MS.. facts. You not thinking it is due to gameplay mechanics is just going against canon facts.
So its proven that its physically stronger than a normal sword, and I highly doubt an argument is needed about its magical potancy over a normal blade or that Link is stronger than a human so yeah, Ganondorf taking Link's Master Sword attack is not to be compared to a human getting gutted. Gotta love the 'fanboy bias' claims from the anti-LoZ guy.Besides the MS, no attack or anything has left any damage. To assume the ToP heals damage cause before it was there is another thing.
. Your single counter is that he didn't heal the wound but I ask you, what physical damage does AK produce? None. All AK does is kill you, and the ToP has already allowed him to survive fatality.
What part are you missing here? Read your line again; "He survived a sword strike by the top resisting the fatal strike". [b]Ganondorf with the ToP resisted a fatal strikeThe topic went right over your head here.. I'll back up a bit. You said "If specific magic can dispel his magic specific magic logically can also kill him" and you're right that it takes a specific magic; Sacred white light and a powerful anti-evil blessing from a divine being. That's the specific magic it took. Is the BFR portal, the death or pain curse powered by a sacred anti-evil blessing? No. You listed different specific spells but missed out the vital part that they are /different/ specific spells. All specific magics are not the same.
Two undeniable things: First, Ganondorf does in fact have magical defences, one of which is 'specifically' related to fatality. Second we have this gem; "No, I am saying someone needs to show magical resistance not death curse resistance."~Quan. You explicitly said, in counter to the no-limits fallacy point, that in order to resist AK (and by extension the pain curse) a character will need magical resistance.. not a specific death (or pain curse) resistance. Dorf has the resistance, he's safe.
4. Its worthy to note that the Shield was only created by four wizards. So he's stronger than a cracking shield formed by four wizards. A good measurement of his power I must say, especially with how much power he put into it. Yes the EW cracking.
5. So Tom can kill said planet-monster or a character that survived a universe exploding? 'Can', but none of them do. Tom being immortal with a split soul is not a magical protection, its a separation. So until a wizard with a defence set up is AK'd, for all intents and purposes they are oh human body and soul.
And reading comprehension is obviously yours.. Because no one is saying Dorf uses love here <__< I'll just repeat;
"This proves that powerful protective magic can resist AK. And thats exactly what the Triforce offers."
"Love and the Triforce which have both proven to be very powerful, both proven to protect the two and both have been proven to save them from death situations." [/B]
1. Not possible without imbalanced world. Glad you are conceded it though. Ganondorfs resistance is shit though since he hasn't really resisted any magic though.
Only covers it due to imbalanced world and a specific event thus doing so.
Light spirits are the key you are onto something.
Dorf is an idiot who was always so arrogant he didn't see the forest for the trees. He didn't see the sages coming either nor did he see Link.
2. The human bodies make it irrelevant as spiders feel the pain as well which doesn't really hurt your body its just a spell. Dorf resisted after he was stabbed but did feel the pain. This is also different than a durability attack anyways. He just resisted the effects of the durability damage so he wasn't feeling pain anymore IMO. This isn't a durability attack either.
He loses the thread. That's it. Dorf stays as Tom's ***** as long as he wants. He can't do anything as he is stuck in excruciating pain.
3. Speculation as he had teleportation abilities so we don't see the building fall on him. You can't prove what hit him so continue to speculate all you want. 😆
You want to have it both ways. Can't do so its either canon or it isn't.
I don't dispute it can cut through armor but I do dispute it can cut through well crafted blades. There is a difference. It had the same effect as a human being impaled so yeah.
We see previous damage in beast form and only see him in a few fights. He only won one and that could be due to her besting herself with the attack.
Top allowed him to survive durability effects not a specific magic designed to kill. Entirely different as he can't seem to resist magic just durability attacks. He can't even heal from them. 😂
I never said all specific magics are the same but only he has never resisted a specific magic therefore the only logical conclusion is he cannot.
He has the top to resist death by durability attacks not specific magic.
He doesn't have magical resistance to magic he as resistance to durability death within reason. Not the same thing at all.
4. We see a few wizards reinforce the spell but whatever it took showed their magic was extremely powerful to resist hundreds. Voldemort is the greatest wizard in the movies and this feat backs that up.
5. If they don't have magical resistance I don't see why not. Not the same as just force. I never said he had magical protection but creating Horcruxes makes him immortal. That's powerful magic and something he did himself unlike top.
Different entirely. Av still kills and only spares the person intended so it still kills. Drf cannot resist this either. Love requires someone to die so it can't protect everyone from the killing curse.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYes, there is.
There is no in game evidence to support your claim, which does at least explain why you haven't provided any.No, he gets sucked through.
This isn't silly, it's canon.
You failed to provide evidence, you concede by default.
Yes, because the magic clearly does so.
Silly.
No, I provided evidence which you ignored.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Not possible without imbalanced world. Glad you are conceded it though. Ganondorfs resistance is shit though since he hasn't really resisted any magic though.
Only covers it due to imbalanced world and a specific event thus doing so.
Light spirits are the key you are onto something.
Dorf is an idiot who was always so arrogant he didn't see the forest for the trees. He didn't see the sages coming either nor did he see Link.
2. The human bodies make it irrelevant as spiders feel the pain as well which doesn't really hurt your body its just a spell. Dorf resisted after he was stabbed but did feel the pain. This is also different than a durability attack anyways. He just resisted the effects of the durability damage so he wasn't feeling pain anymore IMO. This isn't a durability attack either.
He loses the thread. That's it. Dorf stays as Tom's ***** as long as he wants. He can't do anything as he is stuck in excruciating pain.
Congratulations, you can repeat an off-topic point to hide from answering. Lets try again; Twilight magically screws people, and the only people that resist it are people with magical defenses like those with the Triforce. From this simple.. simple fact we can prove that Ganondorf has some magical defence.
Light Spirits have powerful magic. Pushing back Twilight and reducing Midna to a husk. Their light also pokes at Ganondorf's own weakness. Ganondorf is only stunned by this magic. Undeniable fact that Ganondorf's defence is above these magical strikes.
Heck we even have him besting Fused Shadows Midna at the end of their bout. Try to keep on topic next time.
2. Spiders who are less tolerable, durable and resistance than even humans? Impressive.. Anyhow to a human or spider, stabs inflict massive pain. Pre-ToP, yes. Post-ToP he rips the sword out and doesn't even flinch. What Dorf considers pain is not what a human or spider can take.
Giving me a personal opinion in the face of a question? Classy.
How long do you think he can keep it up for? Humans can handedly take hours with no issues. How long do you think it will take before Tom runs out of steam? He'd have exhausted himself and be left with Ganondorf standing there, pissed about the curse, ready to exact revenge. Like I said, all Crucio is is a stall, nothing more.
What would happen if Dorf simply vanished after being struck?
Originally posted by quanchi112
3. Speculation as he had teleportation abilities so we don't see the building fall on him. You can't prove what hit him so continue to speculate all you want.
You want to have it both ways. Can't do so its either canon or it isn't.
I don't dispute it can cut through armor but I do dispute it can cut through well crafted blades. There is a difference. It had the same effect as a human being impaled so yeah.
We see previous damage in beast form and only see him in a few fights. He only won one and that could be due to her besting herself with the attack.
Top allowed him to survive durability effects not a specific magic designed to kill. Entirely different as he can't seem to resist magic just durability attacks. He can't even heal from them.
I never said all specific magics are the same but only he has never resisted a specific magic therefore the only logical conclusion is he cannot.
He has the top to resist death by durability attacks not specific magic.
He doesn't have magical resistance to magic he as resistance to durability death within reason. Not the same thing at all.
Basically you admitting that you want to accept gameplay when Link takes damage, but not for canon gameplay events that must happen to complete the game? Yeah, biased.
Show me a normal sword thats capable of easily slicing through thick armour or concede. Stabbed by a physically strong sword empowered by sacred and holy magic >>> stabbed by a knife. Miles away from human stabs.
Exactly, we don't see any new damage left on him. Not from slashes, arrows, explosions or whatever you want to believe Midna did with that stab.
You've already admitted that the magic of the ToP allowed him to resist fatality, what the AK causes. Death is death.
The logical conclusion formed when we have a specific magic defeat him when its stated that this magic is his greatest weakness is that that specific magic defeats him. 'Sacred white light and a powerful anti-evil blessing from a divine being'. If its not holy, its not the required specific magic.
So you admit that the ToP allows him to resist death? Cool, though you seem to be missing the fact that whether its physical or magical.. the end result is to cause death, something the ToP resisted.
"someone needs to show magical resistance not death curse resistance"
Resisted Twilight magic. Resisted the Light Spirits magic. Resisted Fused Shadow magic. Resisted Death.
Originally posted by quanchi112
4. We see a few wizards reinforce the spell but whatever it took showed their magic was extremely powerful to resist hundreds. Voldemort is the greatest wizard in the movies and this feat backs that up.
5. If they don't have magical resistance I don't see why not. Not the same as just force. I never said he had magical protection but creating Horcruxes makes him immortal. That's powerful magic and something he did himself unlike top.
Different entirely. Av still kills and only spares the person intended so it still kills. Drf cannot resist this either. Love requires someone to die so it can't protect everyone from the killing curse.
Comment on the Wand cracking with a poweful spell and constant use?
5. Which is a no-limits, assuming it can kill everything no matter how powerful. Ganondorf is stated to only be defeated by holy magic (Just go with it this for the example), would that mean that he could tank a black hole as its not holy magic? No, its far too powerful for him to resist even without it. Even the lulziest LoZ fanboy wouldn't argue this no-limits fallacy.
Why is it different? Love is a really powerful magic, as is the Triforce. Love protects a person, as does the Triforce. Love has saved someone from death, as did the Triforce.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteNo, I have proven my case and then some.
And yet you've provided none. In fact your entire post is void of evidence or coherent points. Voldemort has no feats which allow him to overcome the Triforce of Power, ergo he cannot harm Ganon, ergo he loses. This is simple.Provide a feat or stfu.
Specific magic works since I listed two examples.
I already have. Mort wins.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYes, I have.
You have not posted a single shred of evidence, lol.You listed one valid example: A sword so much more powerful than Voldemort it ceases to be relevant to this discussion.
Sword isn't powerful at all whereas Voldemort destroyed a shield which can disintegrate those who touch it.
Voldemort wins, easily.