Originally posted by wildernesssThat's more accurate than the pic in the previous post is. he did not win all his fights. try doing some more research.
as for how Doom could beat Lucy; try using your information. I said he has access to all the best stuff he has every possessed. that includes
the infinity gauntlet. with the gauntlet, thanos was essentially god of the marvel universe. with the reality gem specifically, he could bend the laws of reality whenever he wants, to ensure that the "rules of the game cannot be changed". basically doom rewites the rules again using the gems.
Even the Heart was couldn't do that. The One Above All sets the rules, and Thanos, for all his power, was playing his game.
Cosmic beings, the Gauntlet, even the Tribunal all exist within these limitations.
Lucifer was playing to win, in a way most Don't really think about.
Doom "could" beat Lucifer, tbh. He can lose a fight.
Originally posted by cdtm
Even the Heart was couldn't do that. The One Above All sets the rules, and Thanos, for all his power, was playing his game.Cosmic beings, the Gauntlet, even the Tribunal all exist within these limitations.
Lucifer was playing to win, in a way most Don't really think about.
Doom "could" beat Lucifer, tbh. He can lose a fight.
the MU exsist's outside of lucy's reality and scope of awareness; he would not be able to plan for this. nor was he given prep in the OT.
If thanos gained the gauntlet it was because the TOAA allowed for it the same way the presence allowed lucy to do his thing. the scope of the gauntlet's reality altering powers, the hearts powers, not to mention the beyonder's powers....are a omnipotence and omniscience above that of lucy's. the course of this battle would hinge on willpower. doom has argurabely the strongest willpower in the MU. as shown, standard doom is impervious to mind games and mind control (i.e. purple man). doom wins a healthy majority give these circumstances.
The point of Lucifer's story, is the Presence "didn't" allow him to do his thing though. He cast him down when he rebelled, and Lucifer refused to stay down.
And the Presence even admits, he doesn't even have the option to give his creations 100% free will..
Lucifer's story is basically an extension of Sandman's theme, where Dream is tied to his role as an abstract, whether he likes it or not. Well, Lucifer is as unhappy in his role as Lord Morpheus was in his.
And come to think of it, in a way they both came to the same way out, didn't they? Morpheus arranged his death.. Lucifer, he gave up all of his power, his title, installed a new Presence, and went out into the void alone.. He didn't actually die like Morpheus did, but his version of freedom isn't much different then the oblivion of Dreams...
Anyways, yeah, Doom wins. Lucifer will probably turn his loss into an advantage, somehow, but he does lose.