Hulk vs Juggernaut (pushing contest)

I think it's a matter of just being true to what each character is about.

Juggernaut: once he starts moving in a given direction, nothing, Nothing should be able to stop him. This is what Juggernaut does (at least as I understand it).

Hulk: what Flash is to speed, Hulk is to strength. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets. He is strength incarnate; this is what Hulk is.

Ergo: in any other contest of strength, Hulk should win. But when it comes to simple, straighforward pushing, this, by my definition, falls into Juggs' field.

Thus, Juggernaut for the win. Hulk may get stronger, but Juggernaut's forward momentum is, imho, an absolute. In a sense, Juggernaut also always gets stronger, stronger than Hulk, but only in this limited fashion.

That'd be true if not for the fact that juggy has been stopped before. By hulk no less.... A much weaker hulk than wbh at that.

Originally posted by Naija boy
That'd be true if not for the fact that juggy has been stopped before. By hulk no less.... A much weaker hulk than wbh at that.

Originally posted by Mindship
Well, they got it wrong. 😛

the strength disparity is simple: green scar beat up depowered juggernaut, classic juggernaut returns and is shown to be at around equal footing, then more powerful hulk forms are shown (hulk willingly holding back prior) which harken back to classic juggernaut getting humiliated by an enhanced hulk before.

pushing a moon is the issue since these are terrestrial character without flight. gravity influencing orientation will be the biggest obstacle

Juggernaut wins this. Unless Hulk is being amped by tech or magic beyond Cyttorak.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Juggernaut wins this. Unless Hulk is being amped by tech or magic beyond Cyttorak.

The Hulk did not need the tech to reach that level. HOTM proves this beyond a shadow of doubt.

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Originally posted by Mindship
I think it's a matter of just being true to what each character is about.

Juggernaut: once he starts moving in a given direction, nothing, Nothing should be able to stop him. This is what Juggernaut does (at least as I understand it).

Hulk: what Flash is to speed, Hulk is to strength. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets. He is strength incarnate; this is what Hulk is.

Ergo: in any other contest of strength, Hulk should win. But when it comes to simple, straighforward pushing, this, by my definition, falls into Juggs' field.

Thus, Juggernaut for the win. Hulk may get stronger, but Juggernaut's forward momentum is, imho, an absolute. In a sense, Juggernaut also always gets stronger, stronger than Hulk, but only in this limited fashion.

This. I think alot of the Hulk fans don't want to admit because they think it shows some kind of inferiority to the Juggernaut (which is arguably Hulk's biggest rival on the forum). But i don't agree. They are written to be who they are and what they do. In a fight, pushing isn't going to help anything and i'd take Hulk for the majority, but in a pushing contest, Juggernaut, in theory, should win, imo. It's his thing.

^ Except twice now, which is every time they've met in the fashion where juggernaut is "supposed" to be absolute it's ended with Hulk stopping him in his tracks and then tossing him to the side, yes he was amped in one occasion but in the other he was curtailing his real power yet juggernaut didn't win in his only real duty as a character

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ Except twice now, which is every time they've met in the fashion where juggernaut is "supposed" to be absolute it's ended with Hulk stopping him in his tracks and then tossing him to the side, yes he was amped in one occasion but in the other he was curtailing his real power yet juggernaut didn't win in his only real duty as a character

well the Celestial tech amp is an instance of plot device so i'm not counting that. And the 2nd one, are u referring to the x-mansion event?

Originally posted by NemeBro
How heavy is adamantium?

Originally posted by dynamix
well the Celestial tech amp is an instance of plot device so i'm not counting that. And the 2nd one, are u referring to the x-mansion event?

Yeah I am. They were pushing at one point and Hulk slide back a a bit, but I mean if that's all he slide back while restraining himself by a large margin that doesn't say much for classic juggernaut

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Worldbreaker levels of strength seemed to surpass those of war. It's at least debatable which is more powerful

Yeah I am. They were pushing at one point and Hulk slide back a a bit, but I mean if that's all he slide back while restraining himself by a large margin that doesn't say much for classic juggernaut

i don't understand, so why are u saying it's happened...twice?? the first instance, u said was debatable so clearly not a credible showing if it's open to debate, no? The second, u admit hulk was moved back...

help me understand, friend.

Worldbreaker is arguably as or stronger than war and a restrained version of that was slightly moved back by Juggernaut so... just one gear shift up and Juggernaut would have lost ground

War did the above and stopped juggernaut not from a dead start but from what, 30-x mph and stopped him dead. He seemed to be able to push him back if he chose to but all he did was brace himself to stop juggernaut.

Off the top the only person juggernaut pushed back was Captain Britain

War was supported by celestial tech. Celestial >> Cytorrak. I'm not convinced that strength was what nullified Juggernaut. I'm leaning towards cosmic property of Celestials being key. And it's still a theory that WBH can stop Juggernaut. Who's to say that Juggernaut would just be going at a slower pace? So really, Hulk has never been able to stop Juggernaut.

Juggernaut could only barely push back restrained Hulk. It's self explanatory if Hulk in that instance stopped restraining himself.

Juggernaut wins this.

Spider-man's webbing has slowed classic Juggernaut down as well. It seems Juggs also can shift gears depending on how much resistance he needs to overcome. Magic.

I mean, we could just post all the times he did the whole move forward thing under pressure. The list won't be that long or impressive tbh