Re: Re: Weakest character that can takke over the real world
Originally posted by Oliver North
[b]all of them?nobody could do it by force. You are delusional if you think tanking a nuclear weapon would make the American, Chinese and Russian militaries "surrender". I'm not saying the world's militaries have the ability to stop someone like Black Adam, but I can't see the people of the world simply surrendering to him until he has essentially committed genocide against the majority of them.
Like, it is almost politically untenable as well. This person is just going to, what, solve the mid-east? There are Muslim nations that wont let you in if you have visited Israel, this person is going to have to now bring all of these nations together under one rule with Israel and the Untied States? Lex Luthor walking into the UN and threatening everyone with nuclear warfare isn't really going to solve this issue, nor is nuking the Palestinians, and if all major political bodies need to be brought under the rule of this individual, they are going to have to find a way to reconcile these types of political issues.
So like, a psychic would have the best shot, for sure, but only if they had the ability to control, idk, I'd say at least 50-75% of the planet's population. Maybe not all out mind control, but at least make them not revolt, though they would still need to provide the basic services of government to keep it that way. I'm not totally read up on Emma's recent feats, but I don't think I've seen anything like that from her. Charles at his best, ya, probably.
Luthor probably could, if he wore one of those suits that would prevent UN security from just shooting him. Doom probably could, but given he is just shy of Reed in brains and Strange in magic, that is hardly a "weakest". In both cases though, there would be widespread resistance and would probably require nuclear war against most nations to quell the resistance, and maybe not even then.
I'm trying to think if there is a character like Purple Man who could take over some major media conglomerates and get on TV/YouTube, etc, and do it that way, but I'm drawing a blank. idk, all I'm saying is I think people are low-balling majorly here. [/B]
TAO could do everything you speak of with ease.
TAO would have Luthor commiting suicide in a few panels.
@ inimalist
yes, at least all the major ones.
and you are quite right about surviving a nuke having nothing to do with it. but there are characters who could still do it by force by wiping out all military in the planet (some without even killing anyone) and installing vassal regimes loyal to them. imagine the cultural and psychological impact superbeings like SS or SM would have on the world, specially if they were benevolent or perceived as such. creating/spearheading mass political movements or inspiring religeous cults would be easy
A skilled telepath doesnt need to control everyone, just the elites. and this doesnt have to be maintained constantly, he could create/erase memories, plant post-suggestion comands, shortcircuit minds, easily destroy public personas, etc. of course, using said control to achieve global domination without unwanted mass revolts is a matter of incredible political and strategic savvy, but just think about the influence a telepath could wield over the arab-israeli conflict: subvert israeli political process into a pro pre-67 borders stance and coerce hamas into reconciliation/submission to the olp.
your purple man comment reminded me of honest john, the living propaganda. a character who makes people perceive him as their ideal leader.
TAO remains the best suggestion I've heard as he can "hack" any individual or group. douglas ramsey might be another choice
Originally posted by 753
and you are quite right about surviving a nuke having nothing to do with it. but there are characters who could still do it by force by wiping out all military in the planet (some without even killing anyone) and installing vassal regimes loyal to them. imagine the cultural and psychological impact superbeings like SS or SM would have on the world, specially if they were benevolent or perceived as such. creating/spearheading mass political movements or inspiring religeous cults would be easy
Oh, sure, but again we are talking about Surfer and Superman now, hardly people who are going to be seen as the "weakest".
I agree though, even just the concept of something like SS or SM would be revolutionary to how human psychology worked. They are so powerful they could probably destabilize the global order without even trying.
Originally posted by 753
A skilled telepath doesnt need to control everyone, just the elites. and this doesnt have to be maintained constantly, he could create/erase memories, plant post-suggestion comands, shortcircuit minds, easily destroy public personas, etc. of course, using said control to achieve global domination without unwanted mass revolts is a matter of incredible political and strategic savvy, but just think about the influence a telepath could wield over the arab-israeli conflict: subvert israeli political process into a pro pre-67 borders stance and coerce hamas into reconciliation/submission to the olp.
ah, I misunderstood the premise. I thought the individual would have to be like the actual world leader. I didn't think manipulating events from the shadows would be sufficient. In that case, for sure, much less powerful telepaths would be able to do it. (though, I still think you are low-balling how resistant people would be to this type of thing... if they ever found out their leaders were vassals; for instance, Emma would probably have had difficulty dealing with the Arab Spring, short of a total mind-wipe of, what, 100 million+ people?)
Originally posted by 753
your purple man comment reminded me of honest john, the living propaganda. a character who makes people perceive him as their ideal leader.TAO remains the best suggestion I've heard as he can "hack" any individual or group. douglas ramsey might be another choice
huh, I'm actually unfamiliar with all 3 of those characters, but from what I've read on comicvine, it appears Tao is probably the best answer
Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
Pretty much any supra genius character. Look how much power Obumma has gotten while being a dumbass. haha
Considering Obama hasn't been able to bring together all of the relevant political and economic bodies withing America itself, that is hardly a good point.
And no, I don't think most super geniuses would be able to do it. Someone like Doom or Luthor are able to because of their already comparatively "God-like" tech or other powers. Civil War actually showed that Reed's type of intelligence isn't able to accurately predict large scale human behaviour, and given he is bound by real world physics in what he can create, I really fail to see what he is going to do in 10 years to become undisputed ruler. I suppose if he brought the Nullifier or something similar with him, he could do it, but it would be the same situation as Doom or Lex, and I'm not sure Reed has the stomach to kill as many people as would be necessary to bend the will of Earth's inhabitants to his rule.
guys in case it wasnt clear. real world physics apply to tech they can create. anyting that is hypothetially plausible as per our fundamental understanding of physics can be created, if they know how to do it and can access the raw materials. cold fusion, more advanced genetic manipualtion, AI, superhacking, nanotechnology and molecular machinery (of the plausible kind) etc. are all ok, even in very large scales. shit like time travel to rewrite history isnt gonna fly though.
honest john is a good candidate indeed. I actually think the psychology and sociology oriented geniuses are better tailored for this than the gearheads.