Originally posted by NemeBroIt doesn't matter as feats in fiction don't necessarily add up to the physics of the real world. You crunching numbers just shows how idiotic and desperate you are.
I don't care what you mean, you're an idiot who doesn't actually understand the physical principles behind what you're discussing.Bone gives/tears at 130 MPA, human skin at 20. Everything else in there falls somewhere between that.
130 MPA is about 9 tons per square inch.
Link, with his feat of smashing the ice block, is far stronger than that.
You may now proceed to attempt to rip your own *******, I have won. 👆
Oh, and your barbell analogy is stupid and flawed. Barbell weight doesn't mean anything in terms of actually breaking it, its tensile strength does.
For another example, a huge pumpkin or squash could not be easily lifted by a man. But it could be easily broken.
Link can't rip people apart in combat with his hands since there are no examples of him doing so. You are beyond help.
No, it's a great analogy. Pumpkins are hollow on the inside while barbells are of the same consistency throughout.
Feel the burn, fatso.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The game makes it clear with the boots he can overpower him but then again Bo overpowered gorons as well with the boots.All speculation. The nerds who run around calculating fake numbers who don't add up makes me laugh as do the creators in all likelihood.
Ohlook, another butthurt tangent from Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
As are many. Most feats in fictional verses are superhuman. Irrelevant as the only similar situation they both were in they both did so.
In short, Bo is strong, but not as strong as Link. Link has very good strength feats, so he is strong. We agree?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Irrelevant.
The force it takes to do so is far more difficult than to lift weights. That's the point.This is about what's possible with physical strength. It'd be like saying pushing it out of a window from a very high building. If you can't rip it in half with only your strength alone then my point is proven. You usually always throw random numbers around and then avoid my point. That isn't debating.
It's far harder to rip through someone's body than it is to lift a large amount of weight. I don't even have to take it that far since there are no examples for these fanboy claims anyways.
Your statement "It's far harder to rip through someone's body than it is to lift a large amount of weight" is true to a point, until your strength exceeds that needed to rip through a body;
To lift a human up- 800 N
To tear a human into two- about 100,000~ N
Link's strength to..;
Lift and throw the Ball and Chain- 40,000 N / 70,000 N
Throw 10 ton Gorons- 120,000 N
Push a steel cage- 250,000 N
Push the rock block- 250,000 N
Lift a chandelier- 600,000 N
Push the metal block- 650,000 N
Throw 50 ton Dangoro- 700,000 N
Smack 340 ton Blizzeta- 900,000 N
/mathd 'cause really bored :V
Link's strength does exceed the force needed to rip a human apart with his bare hands.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I could care less what theories and links you have. the point is simple. Harry survived in the first place by going back in time and saving himself. He wouldn't have survived had he not time traveled thus he and others can do so to survive in a versus thread. It's cheap as the LOZ have no answer for it. Potterverse straight up versus Zelda verse straight up it's even more of a stomp.
If Harry did not go back, he couldn't have saved himself, and failing that he wouldn't have made the circumstances that led to him going back in time.
Same as: Harry going back in time to defeat TP or aid his verse can't happen because without TP the would be no threat that made him go back in time in the first place. Also we can see the Time-Turners effects in the timeline, as they've already happened. The very fact that this battle started tells us that going back in time to chance things is impossible as we would already be seeing the effects of it.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteLink eventually outwrestles Bo as he did the Gorons. He only needs to beat them once iirc to proceed meaning it all comes down to the skill of the player.
Bo and Link both wrestled standard Gorons. Standard Gorons are crazy strong, this shows both are very physically strong.
Link also shows himself to be stronger than Fyrus, and did outwrestle Bo. This puts Link above Bo, as well as above the Goron elders and even Fyrus.In short, Bo is strong, but not as strong as Link. Link has very good strength feats, so he is strong. We agree?
I never said Link wasn't super humanly strong but I don't think he's beyond his foes even the ones he bests. He shows in that feat for that context he was stronger. To be on another level of strength it needs to be a no contest.
Originally posted by BloodRainMy point in general is that in fiction it doesn't add up like it does in reality. But like I said ripping into a much weaker barbell weight of 2.5 lbs. is far harder than benching 400 lbs. Again no matter what the math comes out at it's not in character since we don't see him do it.
No, the point is your example has nothing to do with anything. Your example sums up as "If I can lift this weight, can I do a feat thats [b]far above this force?" When the Link argument is "If Link can lift this weight, can he do a feat thats far below this force". No one is saying that Link will be able to do a strength feat well above what we've seen from him. We're only saying he can do things up to his strength limits.Your statement "It's far harder to rip through someone's body than it is to lift a large amount of weight" is true to a point, until your strength exceeds that needed to rip through a body;
Link's strength does exceed the force needed to rip a human apart with his bare hands.
The same reason Harry still exists in the future is due to him saving himself in the past. The same logic applies here. If he can go back and save himself once why can't he do it again ? There's no reason. I am just arguing based off the logic of what he did. He and others could do so again since it worked once.
Sorry, but you can't argue with the movie. Every piece of evidence from HP points to this, fitting into the paradox theory so well that others have noted and listed it. Everything you're saying about Harry going back is just confirming this.If Harry did not go back, he couldn't have saved himself, and failing that he wouldn't have made the circumstances that led to him going back in time.
Same as: Harry going back in time to defeat TP or aid his verse can't happen because without TP the would be no threat that made him go back in time in the first place. Also we can see the Time-Turners effects in the timeline, as they've already happened. The very fact that this battle started tells us that going back in time to chance things is impossible as we would already be seeing the effects of it. [/B]
I wouldn't want to have a debate where I was arguing these kinds of tactics anyway. The whole point is an invasion type thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My point in general is that in fiction it doesn't add up like it does in reality. But like I said ripping into a much weaker barbell weight of 2.5 lbs. is far harder than benching 400 lbs. Again no matter what the math comes out at it's not in character since we don't see him do it.
And yeah, its not in character for Link and I doubt anyone would legitimately say that he will in a fight. People say he will as its in his capability, basically that his strength as the power to one-shot a characters durability.
Like saying Russell could rip a guys arm off to beat him to death with. Not in his character, but an easy feat for him to accomplish.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The same reason Harry still exists in the future is due to him saving himself in the past. The same logic applies here. If he can go back and save himself once why can't he do it again ? There's no reason. I am just arguing based off the logic of what he did. He and others could do so again since it worked once.I wouldn't want to have a debate where I was arguing these kinds of tactics anyway. The whole point is an invasion type thread.
No one would. Even when debating against the LLLC they always treated Dorf winning without dropping Twilight as a separate win to him using it, for the sake of debate.
Originally posted by quanchi112It doesn't really come down to the skill of the player anymore than a comicbook fight comes down to the skill of the reader. Link does best Bo, and early in his quest while still comparatively weak.
Link eventually outwrestles Bo as he did the Gorons. He only needs to beat them once iirc to proceed meaning it all comes down to the skill of the player.I never said Link wasn't super humanly strong but I don't think he's beyond his foes even the ones he bests. He shows in that feat for that context he was stronger. To be on another level of strength it needs to be a no contest.
Link pretty much did 'no contest' Dangoro, but why would Link need to outshine class 100's to that degree to be impressive? Just being in their tier or slightly above them is impressive.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't matter as feats in fiction don't necessarily add up to the physics of the real world. You crunching numbers just shows how idiotic and desperate you are.Link can't rip people apart in combat with his hands since there are no examples of him doing so. You are beyond help.
No, it's a great analogy. Pumpkins are hollow on the inside while barbells are of the same consistency throughout.
Feel the burn, fatso.
He doesn't use his bare hands, he uses his sword, which can cut people up. You have no examples of Link failing to tear apart a human being while trying to do so. 👆
Quan, let's be honest here, you don't even know how to crunch numbers. Referring to someone who can as an "idiot" is disingenuous, because mathematically and scientifically I am clearly more knowledgeable than you. 👆
You're moving the goal posts. Barbells are the same consistency throughout, but are also made of hard metals. For another example, a particularly large sandcastle can't be lifted by a human, but can be demolished by one. 👆
You're a dumb vagina. 👆
Originally posted by NemeBroThe burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence to support your claims.
He doesn't use his bare hands, he uses his sword, which can cut people up. You have no examples of Link failing to tear apart a human being while trying to do so. 👆Quan, let's be honest here, you don't even know how to crunch numbers. Referring to someone who can as an "idiot" is disingenuous, because mathematically and scientifically I am clearly more knowledgeable than you. 👆
You're moving the goal posts. Barbells are the same consistency throughout, but are also made of hard metals. For another example, a particularly large sandcastle can't be lifted by a human, but can be demolished by one. 👆
You're a dumb vagina. 👆
Crunching numbers when it comes to fiction is hysterical.
Sand castles aren't stable like barbells. Just because you lost this debate doesn't give you the right to lose your nerve.