Riddick. Phoenix didn't do anything insanely impressive. He had good martial arts skills via his programming, but the kills Riddick pulled off were on a higher level. Phoenix only survived as long as he did because he had goons aiding him. Not dismissing him entirely, but you have to remember that Riddick also had some innate ability added because of his ancestry and the amp he was given by the laying on of hands.
Originally posted by AscendancyMost of riddick's kills were weapon aided so they won't mean anything here because it's h2h. Phoenix from what i remember of the movies was both the better h2h fighter and stronger, Riddick was faster and more agile but it's not as if he was so much faster he will be dancing around phoenix. I think Phoenix wins h2h.
Riddick. Phoenix didn't do anything insanely impressive. He had good martial arts skills via his programming, but the kills Riddick pulled off were on a higher level. Phoenix only survived as long as he did because he had goons aiding him. Not dismissing him entirely, but you have to remember that Riddick also had some innate ability added because of his ancestry and the amp he was given by the laying on of hands.
Riddick with his arm extended caught a full grown man jumping at him by the throat and stopped the guy cold. Riddick's arm didn't even budge. Then he held him off the ground with one hand before picking him up over his head and slamming him down hard enough to make him bounce off of solid stone. He also showed impressive strength flipping Kyra(easily 110+) through the air and keeping her up there when they were fighting the Necro's. And when he was fighting the Lord Marshall, he knocked him a good 15-20 feet with an uppercut.
No way is Phoenix stronger, and it's doubtful he's a better fighter.
Originally posted by KingD19
Riddick with his arm extended caught a full grown man jumping at him by the throat and stopped the guy cold. Riddick's arm didn't even budge. Then he held him off the ground with one hand before picking him up over his head and slamming him down hard enough to make him bounce off of solid stone. He also showed impressive strength flipping Kyra(easily 110+) through the air and keeping her up there when they were fighting the Necro's. And when he was fighting the Lord Marshall, he knocked him a good 15-20 feet with an uppercut.No way is Phoenix stronger, and it's doubtful he's a better fighter.
Not sure about the stronger part, although I tend to agree that Riddick is stronger, but Simon was programmed with a whole load of known martial arts, kinda like Neo. It would be pretty hard to top him in the skill department.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOQitInC84
Start at 1:47 better than any of riddick's feats i remember, Did riddick even fight anyone h2h? i don't think he did if not i don't see how it's doubtful Phoenix is better
Originally posted by thanos-prime
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOQitInC84
Start at 1:47 better than any of riddick's feats i remember, Did riddick even fight anyone h2h? i don't think he did if not i don't see how it's doubtful Phoenix is better
After seeing that video I think I have to change my earlier statement on Riddick being stronger. Simon casually tossing a grown man with one arm like that is a pretty impressive strength feat.
I say Riddick wins.
Are you telling me with all the jails Riddick has been in he didnt develop any H2H skills? Doutful. But not only that Simon wouldnt even see Riddick coming. Simon was never observant in the least and with Riddicks skill in hiding for the Assassin kill there is no way Simon would win.
Even if it was an Even fight, Riddick would knock the lights out and leave Simon in the dark and with Riddicks 'I see you!' in the dark skills... No way Simon wins.
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
I say Riddick wins.Are you telling me with all the jails Riddick has been in he didnt develop any H2H skills? Doutful. But not only that Simon wouldnt even see Riddick coming. Simon was never observant in the least and with Riddicks skill in hiding for the Assassin kill there is no way Simon would win.
Even if it was an Even fight, Riddick would knock the lights out and leave Simon in the dark and with Riddicks 'I see you!' in the dark skills... No way Simon wins.
Are you telling me with all the jails Riddick has been in he didnt develop any H2H skills? Doutful.If riddick didn't display any h2h ability's we can't assume he has them.
But not only that Simon wouldnt even see Riddick coming. Simon was never observant in the least and with Riddicks skill in hiding for the Assassin kill there is no way Simon would win.the default settings gives a distance they start from and states they are aware of each others presence, He won't be able to stealth.
Even if it was an Even fight, Riddick would knock the lights out and leave Simon in the dark and with Riddicks 'I see you!' in the dark skills... No way Simon wins.The only time Riddick has ever done this is when he was greatly outmatched, And given default settings i don't believe he would be able to do it anyway.
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
I say Riddick wins.Are you telling me with all the jails Riddick has been in he didnt develop any H2H skills? Doutful. But not only that Simon wouldnt even see Riddick coming. Simon was never observant in the least and with Riddicks skill in hiding for the Assassin kill there is no way Simon would win.
Even if it was an Even fight, Riddick would knock the lights out and leave Simon in the dark and with Riddicks 'I see you!' in the dark skills... No way Simon wins.
Well, assuming that a person learned h2h skills while in prison is somewhat different from giving a person mastery of multiple martial art forms. Martial arts that would usually require a lifetime to master.
As for the stealth/assassin argument, sure if they were hunting each other through a dark city, I'd give the fight to Riddick.
But in fair, open combat, those skills won't come into play and Phoenix's superior skill will prove superior.
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
You cant Assume he doesnt have any H2H skill either.In Chronicles of Riddick he is dropped in Crematoria and does well against the ppl who bum rush him and he has no weapons then.
Oh I'm not assuming that he doesn't. Riddick has shown to be proficient in h2h. Just saying that Riddick had to learn his the hard way, and we don't know just how proficient he is with it, whereas Simon Phoenix was automatically given full proficiency of multiple martial arts as well as getting his strength and speed amped up (at least from what I recall).
Originally posted by golem370He was bleeding due to the cut from the knife throw not due to any hth prowess on riddick's part infact riddick was getting tooled in the lord marshal fight.
Riddick imo. Riddick made Lord Marshall bleed according to wiki he knows a mixture of three fighting styles Krav Maga, Eskrima, & Ninjutsu
Screen feats > Wiki, and riddick has none that compare to phoenix.
So you're going to tell me then that Phoenix would have survived the fight with the Lord Marshall? Further, you're going to tell me that he could survive a blast from Riddick's Furyon energy that he was infused with and used to kill multiple necros at once? Like I said, Phoenix is no slouch, but Riddick doesn't only show superhuman strength and feats, he literally is superhuman via his lineage and amping.
Originally posted by AscendancyIm not using the animated film in this match just the movies and anyway i don't see what relevance him shooting energy has to do with a hth fight. I also don't see what him getting his head beaten in by LM has to do with this fight he didn't survive due to any hth prowess but because LM was playing with him.
So you're going to tell me then that Phoenix would have survived the fight with the Lord Marshall? Further, you're going to tell me that he could survive a blast from Riddick's Furyon energy that he was infused with and used to kill multiple necros at once? Like I said, Phoenix is no slouch, but Riddick doesn't only show superhuman strength and feats, he literally is superhuman via his lineage and amping.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
Im not using the animated film in this match just the movies and anyway i don't see what relevance him shooting energy has to do with a hth fight. I also don't see what him getting his head beaten in by LM has to do with this fight he didn't survive due to any hth prowess but because LM was playing with him.
The Lord Marshall tried to rip his soul from his body. Don't try and act like it was all a game. You can clearly see the point in the fight when the Lord Marshall realizes that he needs to go all out to kill him.
The energy blast and strength feats I'm referring to are from the film. I've never seen the animated one. The relevance of the energy blast is that it's something he's capable of unleashing. You're literally talking about a superhuman level fighter vs one whose mind is trained in combat skills.
Neither John Spartan nor Phoenix are on the same level as Riddick strength or speed wise.
Originally posted by AscendancyAgain the only thing relevant in this fight is what riddick did hth withstanding soul ripping with your will has no relevancy here. The only portion of the LM riddick fight relevant here is the hth part in which Riddick got tool'd.
The Lord Marshall tried to rip his soul from his body. Don't try and act like it was all a game. You can clearly see the point in the fight when the Lord Marshall realizes that he needs to go all out to kill him.The energy blast and strength feats I'm referring to are from the film. I've never seen the animated one. The relevance of the energy blast is that it's something he's capable of unleashing. You're literally talking about a superhuman level fighter vs one whose mind is trained in combat skills.
Neither John Spartan nor Phoenix are on the same level as Riddick strength or speed wise.
I do not recall him using an energy blast but it doesn't matter as the fight is hth, I don't recall you bringing up any strength feats as good as the one i showed for simon. I already stated i believe Riddick is faster but not fast enough to dance around or make a fool of simon.
Simon wins 6/10