Originally posted by DTM
HP Doomsday Demolishes WWHulk.WWHulk was around on the same overall level as Superman, and HP DD Murdered that Superman, not to mention Darkseid as well. DOS Doomsday vs. WWHulk is a much closer fight, HP is just too much for this Hulk to hope to beat.
This is all your opinion and Doomsday demolished a weaker Superman than today's Supes. Supes before the reboot should beat him as well.
He beat an AVATAR of Darkseid, not the real deal.
No, thats pretty much fact really. Superman during HP was not a weaker Superman, just as Darkseid wasnt a weaker Darkseid (God do I hate the idea of Avatars for Darkseid, as a way for DC to retcon all of Darkseids low showing appearances). WWHulk is on the same level as Thor, Superman, Capt Marvel, etc. HP Doomsday would slaughter each of them alone, and would probably beat several of them at once (as Doomsday did during the Doomsday Wars, against Superman, Orion and Jonn). WWHulk is touhg, but hes just not THIS level of tough.
Originally posted by DTM
No, thats pretty much fact really. Superman during HP was not a weaker Superman, just as Darkseid wasnt a weaker Darkseid (God do I hate the idea of Avatars for Darkseid, as a way for DC to retcon all of Darkseids low showing appearances). WWHulk is on the same level as Thor, Superman, Capt Marvel, etc. HP Doomsday would slaughter each of them alone, and would probably beat several of them at once (as Doomsday did during the Doomsday Wars, against Superman, Orion and Jonn). WWHulk is touhg, but hes just not THIS level of tough.
What fts does the Avatar of Darkseid have?
Uuuummm, over yrs, Superman become more powerful due to his connection with the sun. This was stated on panel. HP defeating a weaker Superman doesn't mean he can do the same thing to current Supes. Hell,back then, Doomsday defeated Orion by throwing a tank on him. The characters were weaker...current Supes before the reboot would beat this version of Doomsday as well.
As for your opinion on Hulks power and who's he equal to...that's exactly what it is, your opinion.
Carver - How would you rate the strength levels of the Avatars of DS?
That Avatar, one shot Cyborg Superman. Destroyed vaporized missiles superman couldn't dent. These missiles were made of DC versions admantium or close to it.
DS beat that avatar of DS in like 2 panels.
NOw comare that to pre flashpoint superman taking an avatar of DS to the sun and still not beating him up as bad as DD did. Maybe DD is more ruthless, but how would you compare the strength levels of these 2 avatars? They should be equal right? but HP DD outdid a pre flashpoint sun amped superman after getting hit by the OE twice.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It doesn't change the fact that WWH wasn't doing anything out of the realm of the higher heralds, and HP was still high herald to the extent that he'd have a shot against this Hulk. Doomsday, like Hulk, excels in brawls, and is capable of winning.
He still beat Radiant tho, and a fairly powerful version of Darkseid/Darkseid avatar. There's also Waverider and Superman and tho it was a fairly weak Superman he still had a bump up.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not saying he's not powerful. I just don't expect him to dominate Superman post OWAW, UUAW and such, the same way he did during HP.
I agree with this,
but as a comparison,
who beatup the avatars of DS worse?
HP DD or the superman who took DS to the sun before beating him up?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Able to? I think he can. Whether he would or not, is something else.
This is where we disagree then.
I think WWH reached his peak against Sentry. At least as far as what version would perform the best against WWH.
First off I'll assume that we're using "standard" WWH, which is him after the planet exploded/when he's hanging around earth.
At -almost- very peak of his rage he and the sentry were fighting eachother tearing apart some blocks and hitting eachother. Banner burnt himself out even though he had enjoyed a fairly steady flow of fighting his own friends/constant rage-fodder.
At his "peak" he could barely take down the Sentry and that was it.
Finally, there's the WWH after he was fed even more plot rage-inducing stuff that started going Supernova. Expunging radioactive energy will do nothing to Doomsday.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait. Who said that those versions were avatars?Oh, Final Crisis?
Doomsday took out an avatar of Darkseid that we have nothing to base his durability off of (let's not forget it took some panels for Doomsday to come back from that attack from Darkseid and he had to sneak attack him).
It was also proven that Superman durability>>>HP Doomsday during the Imperiex saga. He withstood an attack from Imperiex that turned Doomsday to bones. Let's just be real here, the people Doomsday fought back then isn't comparable at all to the current characters that have been upgraded.
Sentry would work Doomsday as well...don't know why you brought him up. Sentry (even the version that fought Hulk) is an elite Herald and as stated on panel by Pak, he had to bring his power of a million exploding suns to slow Hulk down. Hell, their fight was threatening the planet.
Is this version of Doomsday powerful, yes, he sure is but if anyone could beat him, Hulk could (especially this version of Hulk). I would give Hulk the edge in strength, durability is a wash, and I would give Doomsday the edge reflex wise (while giving Hulk the edge in quick burst of speed).